Bu-ray edging ahead

Von Luck said:
I can't see the outcome being decided by early adopters. Games consoles and studio support are the killers here.

While early adopters with a real interest in the topic may be willing to buy the add-on HD-DVD drive for the 360, I can't see your average man on the street forking out for it. I think the PS3's integrated BR support will drive far more sales.

Add to that the likelihood that there will be more titles available for BR, I just can't see HD-DVD winning this one, regardless of how much weight the name carries.

I've no interest in either side winning - I don't use games consoles and I'm going to sit back and wait for it to be decided.

I agree I can't see HD DVD winning but my god I hope BluRay doesn't that will only encourage sony's plan for proprietary everything.

I just got a K800i and realised that I had to buy yet another variant of the Memory Stick family. I already had a 2gb MS Pro Duo and now I have to buy an M2 that only goes up to 1gb? Go to Hell!.....bought one anyway :(

I'm gonna buy a HD DVD Drive for the 360

A) Because I can't live without Universals library.

B) because a lot of the Blu Ray exclusives are available on HD DVD in other terrirtories (due to distribution rights)

C) because its the cheapest option as I already have a 360 and when dual format players are cheap and commonplace I'll pick one up without feeling like I got burned.


:D
 
Sony Sends Blu-ray on the Path of Betamax

Sony may have sunk its own product by discouraging the use of Blu-ray disk for adult film distribution. Adult entertainment companies claim to be moving towards HD DVD format at the behest of Sony.

Some claim that HD DVD has now taken the forefront in the race to become the industry standard. Other factors have also been sited as a cause for HD’s dominance such as lower setup costs for production of the disks.

Finding disk replicators for Blu-ray is the main problem according to Jackie Ramos VP of SBO Pictures Inc. Sony Blu-ray spokesmen admit they didn’t reach out to the adult film industry.

http://online.wsj.com/public/articl...USiHfFrB7XdrksIAOhj7M_20080124.html?mod=blogs
 
dmpoole said:
Sony Sends Blu-ray on the Path of Betamax

Sony may have sunk its own product by discouraging the use of Blu-ray disk for adult film distribution. Adult entertainment companies claim to be moving towards HD DVD format at the behest of Sony.

Some claim that HD DVD has now taken the forefront in the race to become the industry standard. Other factors have also been sited as a cause for HD’s dominance such as lower setup costs for production of the disks.

Finding disk replicators for Blu-ray is the main problem according to Jackie Ramos VP of SBO Pictures Inc. Sony Blu-ray spokesmen admit they didn’t reach out to the adult film industry.

http://online.wsj.com/public/articl...USiHfFrB7XdrksIAOhj7M_20080124.html?mod=blogs



Not as big a deal now, porn is available everywhere now. The internet, dvd, video etc.

Its only the really really erm....obsessive people that will buy into HD porn when its a few clicks away in sd and thats a very very very small amount of people.
 
and its inaccurate - as a report on anandtech proved about a week or two ago (yes adult films ARE being produced on blu-ray , just not in the same plant as Disney films - whether this is choice or a legal stipulation I dont know)

edit - I am also not sure anyone would see any difference on a 20" screen - three equal parts of 60" - an upscaling panel could probably cope, its when you have a full 60" running a standard dvd or freeview where it would be very noticable imho
 
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Quote from Porn peddler in the above link:

“the quality of the two releases should be the same. We believe, however, that Vivid is not only the first to offer a movie in both HD DVD and Blu-ray formats, but also the first to offer in these formats with multiple angle options.

Wow HD Porn with multiple angles too :D
 
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kumar101 said:
Quote from Porn peddler in the above link:

“the quality of the two releases should be the same. We believe, however, that Vivid is not only the first to offer a movie in both HD DVD and Blu-ray formats, but also the first to offer in these formats with multiple angle options.

Wow HD Porn with multiple angles too :D

ok now I might bite i bet theres a few angles i havent seen Jenna Haze from. :D
 
FrankJH said:
and its inaccurate - as a report on anandtech proved about a week or two ago (yes adult films ARE being produced on blu-ray , just not in the same plant as Disney films - whether this is choice or a legal stipulation I dont know)

edit - I am also not sure anyone would see any difference on a 20" screen - three equal parts of 60" - an upscaling panel could probably cope, its when you have a full 60" running a standard dvd or freeview where it would be very noticable imho

You think it might be to simply make absolutely sure adult films dont get mixed up with disney films.
That would be a bit of a shock for little jonny on Christmas day. :D

Andy
 
nokinidea said:
You think it might be to simply make absolutely sure adult films dont get mixed up with disney films.
That would be a bit of a shock for little jonny on Christmas day. :D

Andy

It could be - I was just thinking it may be something that Disney themselves stipulate in their contract that was all

I wonder whose face would be more interesting little jonny's (good choice of name in regards to this topic) or his parents :D
 
found this well written post from another forum. How can you argue with the below.

"The War is Over. Blu-ray has won, and deep down we all know it

Blu-ray is stomping HD-DVD in sales and movies and STILL has all the CE and studio support advantage it has enjoyed since the beginning. It's over. The war is over. Blu-ray won and all we have to do is wait for HD-DVD to CONTINUE to die. And deep down we all know it.

It really makes sense for self described Blu-ray fanboys like me to not post much anymore on here: Blu-ray is winning in absolutely everything and has no signs of slowing down. And it is winning with everything that counts. Capacity, bandwidth, number of movies, number of studios, numbers of players to choose from, copy protection with new methods yet to be implemented while HD-DVD is stuck, disc reliability with owners of both formats reporting Blu-ray is much more reliable, Blu-ray discs are on average CHEAPER because of no combos, and now Blu-ray has a very clear lead in SALES. I mean what else left is there? We've been hearing for months how "studios will just follow the money" but notice you don't hear that coming from the other side anymore.

What's funny if you look back, the HD-DVD camp has been wrong about just about everything. Hindsight is 20-20. Just look how many "regulars" don't post anymore on here and don't infiltrate every thread. There is a REASON why they don't post much anymore on here. There is nothing really left to argue over. And when they do, the arguments now a days have become just sad and not interesting, which is why I don't post much anymore. I know deep down that they are laughing a little bit inside when the arguments have turned to pornography and Shinco players with no price or release dates. It was fun when we didn't know what the future held as much and the arguments were heated, but now we are supposed to take HD-DVD seriously?

It's amazing how BD proved all these arguments wrong.

Let me summarize:

Remember BD-50's were just science fiction and would never come out? BD-50's were "inherently flawed." Then they did come out.

Then BD-50's were too expensive and wouldn't be common. They were inherently flawed to always be expensive and rare and "not needed." Why? Because the side arguing didn't have the capacity. Then they became more common.

Then MPEG-2 and BD-25 could not reproduce great quality--it was inherently flawed. Then MI:III came out.

Then BD players were all "twice the price of HD-DVD" because they were "all" $1000. And none of these people ever insinuated that these prices would go down--this was an inherent flaw to BD. Then the Sammy dropped to $599 on Amazon and the PS3 was released.

Then the Xbox 360 add-on would "neutralize" the PS3. It did not.

Then MS would announce an HD-DVD drive "built in" to neutralize the PS3. Then they denied that this was ever in the plans.

Then Triple Layer discs (which many recall were announced LAST year) were going to "neutralize the BD capacity advantage." But they never saw the light of day, and are STILL vaporware.

Then Blu-ray's were "vulnerable" to scratches, much moreso than HD-DVD, and they were inherently flawed for rental companies. But then people on here began to realise that it is HD-DVD that is much more vulnerable to scratches and Blu-ray discs were MUCH more reliable. A poll on here found only 3.7% of Blu-ray owners had a problem playing a rental while 25% of HD-DVD owners did. And guys like Gary and Fettastic, who were once hardcore HD-DVD fans who blasted Blu-ray every chance they got last summer, admitted that Blu-ray discs are much more reliable to own and much more resistant to scratches than HD-DVD's. And now these guys are Blu-ray fans! So that argument went away too.

Then the PS3 was released and the "poor sales" proved it would have no effect on Blu-ray. Then it went on to outsell the 360 comparatively at it's launch and now Blu-ray is clearly ahead in sales.

Since at this time of the PS3 launch the HD-DVD fan still had sales arguments on their side, then the arguments were that "studios would follow the money" so it isn't an idiotic decision to support a format that has only 3 major studios releasing content on it, because it was "just a matter of time" before studios would "see the light." Never happened. Still only 3 major studios releasing content on a format that is still basically just Toshiba and an optional video game console add-on, with still only one exclusive studio who seems uninterested in fully supporting the format with "100" mystery titles to be release sometime this year, 90% of which will be on combo! THAT is HD-DVD. And oh, about those sales arguments, well Blu-ray is now outselling HD-DVD so obviously we don't hear the "follow the money" slogan anymore. Notice that? The hope is now in cheap porn and Chinese junk players--and oh, in case you forgot, these players don't have any announced prices or release dates, just like the movies.

After the PS3 arguments the goalposts were switched to CES. CES was going to be big for HD-DVD with new studios going neutral for them and new big name CE companies coming on board. They knew they needed some major CE support and at least one studio going neutral, and this hope was so great that there were literally posters PROMISING people that at least one Blu-ray studio would go neutral at CES. Didn't happen. And as far as CE all they got was some junk names like Shinco not one of them has ever owned, and a bunch of "mystery movies" with no release dates. And oh, don't forget that giant lump of coal from Universal.

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These arguments all turned out to be wrong. But at least they were somewhat interesting because we were all waiting with baited breath to see how the PS3 would effect sales and what would happen at CES.

And now that it has turned out that things are not better for HD-DVD now but FAR FAR WORSE, with all the problems they had before but now they have to contend with a better selling Blu-ray who has more movies coming out every week in February than HD-DVD has for the entire month, and you have a situation where there is no real reason to get into arguments anymore on here regarding a "war" because there is no war--we should all admit that, deep down, we all know that Blu-ray has won. It has won with capacity, bandwidth, scratch resistance and reliability for our archives, studios, player choices, more MOVIES, and now clearly BETTER SALES. There is no war anymore. And deep down we all know it and should move on and just get Universal to go neutral so we can come together and focus on the MOVIES.

It WAS fun while it lasted. There sure were some heated debates on here."
 
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That post wouldn't be by a chap called "Badass" would it?
He's clearly and obviously one of the most vocal and pro BlueRay advocates on the AV forums.

Having said all of that, he does have a point on some of his statements.
From what I understand:
- There's pretty much bugger all in it for video/audio quality between HD-DVD and BD
- The Tosh HD-DVD players do have ethernet connection, but are only really making use of it for upgrades, which to me is a "so what"
- If you check the online stores, the cost of each format is VERY similar, so the argument of HD-DVD being cheaper to produce never really matters
- HD-DVD players are clearly and obviously cheaper, though the margin has reduced
- BD has better support, which whilst it hasn't really taken advantage of to date, probably will in the near future
- HD-DVD looks like getting most of the porn, though I know that the first HD film on disk was released on BD. So that's a bit up in the air
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
That post wouldn't be by a chap called "Badass" would it?
He's clearly and obviously one of the most vocal and pro BlueRay advocates on the AV forums.

Having said all of that, he does have a point on some of his statements.
From what I understand:
- There's pretty much bugger all in it for video/audio quality between HD-DVD and BD
- The Tosh HD-DVD players do have ethernet connection, but are only really making use of it for upgrades, which to me is a "so what"
- If you check the online stores, the cost of each format is VERY similar, so the argument of HD-DVD being cheaper to produce never really matters
- HD-DVD players are clearly and obviously cheaper, though the margin has reduced
- BD has better support, which whilst it hasn't really taken advantage of to date, probably will in the near future
- HD-DVD looks like getting most of the porn, though I know that the first HD film on disk was released on BD. So that's a bit up in the air


Yeah it's definately Badass and he doesn't half talk out of his.

As I keep saying its kind of like game consoles. Which software is most important RIGHT NOW. Universal for me, which is why im going HD DVD.
 
Its wayyyyyyyyy too early for any firm conclusions - no format will retire from the race for two years or more (maybe even past 2010) unless a compromise disc (one side HD-DVD, other side BD) is marketed and can be read by every player designed.
 
i was shocked when i looked at the bluray - hd dvd comparison charts the other day

before xmas just after the ps3 release i checked it out to see blu ray way way way behind yet now it is clearly leading :eek:

it seems to me like even though people didnt want the ps3 for its blu ray drive that they are slowly dabbling in the blu ray movies

similar to the way that when i bought my ps2 i thought "ill never buy dvds ive already got the films i want on video" few months later and im in hmv buying dvds :o

oh and hasnt stellios of these forums said that so far the blockbusters store he works in has only ordered blu ray films , this could obviously change
 
Neither's going to win, one might have a larger portion. But with dual players already available. It's going to be like cvc-r and dvd+r. Neither will win they'll just live side by side.
 
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