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Hi all, I've been without a PC since my motherboard died last month and I've been considering a significant upgrade considering it was 2016 since I last did anything beyond add some storage. Please can you have a look at my two builds and suggest any issues/improvements and which is better? Differences in cooler and slight difference in RAM are for colour. No case or storage or OS added yet and I'm considering building in my old case or buying new. Not set on any components at all so welcome to all suggestions.

AMD:

CPU - AMD Ryzen 9 7900X 4.7 GHz 12-Core Processor
Cooler - Deepcool CASTLE 360EX WHITE 64.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard - Asus PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard
Memory - TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL34 Memory
GPU - ASRock Phantom Gaming D OC Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card
PSU - Corsair RM850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply


Intel/Nvidia:

CPU - Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor
Cooler - Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 Illusion 47.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard - ASRock Z690 Taichi ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory - TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7200 CL34 Memory
GPU - Zotac GAMING Trinity OC GeForce RTX 3080 10GB LHR 10 GB Video Card
PSU - EVGA SuperNOVA 1200 P2 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply


Old spec for interest:

CPU - i7-5820K
Cooler - Antec 240mm AIO
Motherboard - Gigabyte X99-SLI
Memory - Err... Corsair 16GB I think
GPU - Sapphire Radeon R9 390
PSU - EVGA 750W Gold
 
mickyflinn said:
What is your main use? Gaming

32 gb 7000mhz memory costing £400 reasoning behind this ?
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Light web usage mainly...

Jokes - gaming mainly, it's been a while since I can run some of my games on anything above medium graphics but also future proofing - I'd rather spend a couple of grand in one go for as high a spec PC that I can afford then make it last than small upgrades here and there.

The memory is just one of the DDR5s that I picked because it looked high spec and cost sub £300 where I specced it.

I note that I haven't properly costed this out so if there's no point or need getting that kind of thing let me know - this is why I'm asking, I just added some shiny bits.
 
There is little point getting extrme speed DDR5 for AM5 , you are unlikely to get it stable at much over 6000mhz. Is diminishing returns even with Intel system as well , I would say get cheaper kits.
 
iamdjdz said:
AMD:

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Intel/Nvidia:

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Phanteks AMP 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply - £129.94
EK Water Blocks EK-AIO 360 Basic All In One CPU Water Cooler - 360mm - £110.00
EK Water Blocks EK-AIO LGA1700 upgrade kit - £0.00

Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard - £229.99
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Twelve Core 5.60GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail - £449.99
TeamGroup Vulcan EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLABD532G5600HC40BDC01) - £158.99

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 Pulse 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card - £548.99

Grand Total: £1,639.00


Phanteks AMP 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply - £129.95
EK Water Blocks EK-AIO 360 Basic All In One CPU Water Cooler - 360mm - £109.99
EK Water Blocks EK-AIO LGA1700 upgrade kit - £0.00

Asus Prime Z790-P WIFI D4 (LGA 1700) DDR4 ATX Motherboard - £259.99
Intel Core i5-13600K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail - £319.99
Corsair Vengeance 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK32GX5M2B5600C36) - £169.99

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 Pulse 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card - £548.99

Grand Total: £1,550.00

This is what would I go with to save some cash, through cheaper boards & memory mainly.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with a 7900X for only gaming, just get the 7700X and save the rest for an upgrade to an X3D or other later CPU (part of the reason for going AM5 after all).

13600K: There's little difference between the 13th gen 1x600K/1x700K. The 13700K has 2 more P-Cores, but the same number of E-Cores (8) and it's hard to notice anything meaningful in most gaming benches. I think you'd need a 4090 to really stretch any of these CPUs, especially at higher resolutions. 1700 should have less upgradability than AM5, so maybe it makes sense for a long-term buy. I think there's supposed to be a raptor lake refresh (13.5 gen) later this year, which I assume will be the last range of CPUs for this socket.

From the gaming benches I've seen, once you reach low(ish) latency 5600, anything above that doesn't help much and (at least currently) if you buy 4 dimms both AMD and Intel don't like it and often run below XMP/EXPO specs. I'd just get something 'cheap' and maybe in the future (if you ever need it) upgrade it to 64GB (2x32GB) with what should be (by then) far more mature, faster, higher capacity dimms, that the CPUs can actually use.

The Taichi is £500 from what I can see and unless it has some features you really need (like having thunderbolt 4 on the rear I/O, which is not common), I wouldn't bother. 1700 and AM5 boards pretty much all seem to be over-engineered so I'd just buy a 'low-end' one, providing it has enough lanes for your PCI-E cards and M.2 slots.

Couldn't find your cooler at ocuk so I just substituted the EK (no reason for the choice, except I think it's the same price?).

I couldn't find any affordable 3080s, so I just left the 6800, which seems a reasonable price. I haven't been looking at what the 7900 XT/XTX have come in at. The 6800 is a decent 1440 or entry-4K card (minus ray-tracing), if that's what you want.
 
Tetras said:
Phanteks AMP 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply - £129.94
EK Water Blocks EK-AIO 360 Basic All In One CPU Water Cooler - 360mm - £110.00
EK Water Blocks EK-AIO LGA1700 upgrade kit - £0.00

Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard - £229.99
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Twelve Core 5.60GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail - £449.99
TeamGroup Vulcan EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLABD532G5600HC40BDC01) - £158.99

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 Pulse 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card - £548.99

Grand Total: £1,639.00


Phanteks AMP 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply - £129.95
EK Water Blocks EK-AIO 360 Basic All In One CPU Water Cooler - 360mm - £109.99
EK Water Blocks EK-AIO LGA1700 upgrade kit - £0.00

Asus Prime Z790-P WIFI D4 (LGA 1700) DDR4 ATX Motherboard - £259.99
Intel Core i5-13600K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail - £319.99
Corsair Vengeance 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK32GX5M2B5600C36) - £169.99

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 Pulse 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card - £548.99

Grand Total: £1,550.00

This is what would I go with to save some cash, through cheaper boards & memory mainly.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with a 7900X for only gaming, just get the 7700X and save the rest for an upgrade to an X3D or other later CPU (part of the reason for going AM5 after all).

13600K: There's little difference between the 13th gen 1x600K/1x700K. The 13700K has 2 more P-Cores, but the same number of E-Cores (8) and it's hard to notice anything meaningful in most gaming benches. I think you'd need a 4090 to really stretch any of these CPUs, especially at higher resolutions. 1700 should have less upgradability than AM5, so maybe it makes sense for a long-term buy. I think there's supposed to be a raptor lake refresh (13.5 gen) later this year, which I assume will be the last range of CPUs for this socket.

From the gaming benches I've seen, once you reach low(ish) latency 5600, anything above that doesn't help much and (at least currently) if you buy 4 dimms both AMD and Intel don't like it and often run below XMP/EXPO specs. I'd just get something 'cheap' and maybe in the future (if you ever need it) upgrade it to 64GB (2x32GB) with what should be (by then) far more mature, faster, higher capacity dimms, that the CPUs can actually use.

The Taichi is £500 from what I can see and unless it has some features you really need (like having thunderbolt 4 on the rear I/O, which is not common), I wouldn't bother. 1700 and AM5 boards pretty much all seem to be over-engineered so I'd just buy a 'low-end' one, providing it has enough lanes for your PCI-E cards and M.2 slots.

Couldn't find your cooler at ocuk so I just substituted the EK (no reason for the choice, except I think it's the same price?).

I couldn't find any affordable 3080s, so I just left the 6800, which seems a reasonable price. I haven't been looking at what the 7900 XT/XTX have come in at. The 6800 is a decent 1440 or entry-4K card (minus ray-tracing), if that's what you want.
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Nice one thanks Tetras - I will go through in detail later or tomorrow :)
 
shame missed the 7900xtx launch today. all cards now sold out...if willing to spend on that fast memory, would have gone for that gpu. raster a bit more than a 4080, raytrace equiv 3090/3090ti(from reviews)..so can't compete with 4080 or 4090
As Tetras says and plenty reviews online, AM5 struggles with faster Ram and 6000 speed sweet spot...reversal of am4 as Intel now likes the faster stuff.
You could go for something like a B650e Asus f gaming board. would give you gen5 gpu slot and 1 gen 5 m.2 nvme slot for £300 odd(get 2 gen 4 slots also)...that should pretty much future proof yourself and allow a gen 5 gpu to be slotted a few years down the line. i'd even go so far as drop to the 7600x cpu now. The 3d v cache versions are meant to be released 1H23, and performance of the 7600x is just above a 5800X3D anyway, and only a few % behind the 7700X...should be able to flip the 7600X for the 3d cpu's when they launch for not a big loss my guess anyway
If you do plum for a new gen 7900xtx gpu, draws power similar to a 3080ti i think(def more than the 3080)..i'd be tempted with a 1000W psu..a good one has 10yrs warranty anyway and gives a bit of breathing room for another upgrade down the line also
 
Thanks @Tetras and @Craig_d1 - Noted all your points and got the below AMD build specced - I'm unlikely to go for the 7900XT and more likely to go 6800/6900 in the end but just for show:

1 X TeamGroup Vulcan EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLABD532G5600HC40BDC01) - £158.99
SKU: MY-0B3-TG
1 X AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Eight Core 5.40GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail - £329.99
SKU: CP-3DF-AM
1 X Phanteks AMP 1000W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply - £149.98
SKU: CA-0AS-PT
1 X Alpenfohn Glacier Water 360 ARGB CPU Water Cooler - 360mm - £132.95
SKU: HS-05M-AL
1 X Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard - £239.99
SKU: MB-5BF-GI
1 X Powercolor Radeon RX 7900 XT HellHound 20GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card - £989.99
SKU: GX-1AR-PC
Grand Total: £2,012.99

Does this look OK? With the 6800 it's £1571 so a massive difference, and I haven't been able to accurately price a 7900XTX yet. AMD feels like it's better value at the moment than Intel but I might be wrong. I've changed the motherboard because I'd like wireless built in and not have a separate card if I can help it. Also like the Alpenfohn cooler more than the EK one.
 
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Intel Build now:

1 X TeamGroup Vulcan EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLABD532G5600HC40BDC01) - £158.99
SKU: MY-0B3-TG
1 X Phanteks AMP 1000W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply - £149.99
SKU: CA-0AS-PT
1 X Alpenfohn Glacier Water 360 ARGB CPU Water Cooler - 360mm - £132.94
SKU: HS-05M-AL
1 X Intel Core i5-13600K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail - £320.00
SKU: CP-6AV-IN
1 X Asus Prime Z790-P WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard - £269.98
SKU: MB-6JR-AS
1 X Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Gaming OC 8GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card - £650.00
SKU: GX-1DW-GI
Grand Total: £1,693.00

Obviously I can put a comparable graphics card to the above AMD build in which would make it around 2100 I think.
 
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iamdjdz said:
Hi all, I've been without a PC since my motherboard died last month and I've been considering a significant upgrade considering it was 2016 since I last did anything beyond add some storage. Please can you have a look at my two builds and suggest any issues/improvements and which is better? Differences in cooler and slight difference in RAM are for colour. No case or storage or OS added yet and I'm considering building in my old case or buying new. Not set on any components at all so welcome to all suggestions.

AMD:

CPU - AMD Ryzen 9 7900X 4.7 GHz 12-Core Processor
Cooler - Deepcool CASTLE 360EX WHITE 64.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard - Asus PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard
Memory - TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL34 Memory
GPU - ASRock Phantom Gaming D OC Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card
PSU - Corsair RM850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply


Intel/Nvidia:

CPU - Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor
Cooler - Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 Illusion 47.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard - ASRock Z690 Taichi ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory - TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7200 CL34 Memory
GPU - Zotac GAMING Trinity OC GeForce RTX 3080 10GB LHR 10 GB Video Card
PSU - EVGA SuperNOVA 1200 P2 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply


Old spec for interest:

CPU - i7-5820K
Cooler - Antec 240mm AIO
Motherboard - Gigabyte X99-SLI
Memory - Err... Corsair 16GB I think
GPU - Sapphire Radeon R9 390
PSU - EVGA 750W Gold
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Both of your builds look solid. The AMD build is a great choice for gaming while the Intel/Nvidia build is better suited for more intensive workstation tasks. The Ryzen 9 7900X offers great performance for gaming, while the Intel Core i7-13700K is better suited for video editing, 3D rendering, and other multimedia tasks. In terms of RAM, the TeamGroup T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL34 Memory and the TeamGroup T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7200 CL34 Memory are both good options. The 7000 CL34 will provide better performance for gaming, while the 7200 CL34 will provide better performance for workstation tasks. For the GPU, the ASRock Phantom Gaming D OC Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card and the Zotac GAMING Trinity OC GeForce RTX 3080 10GB LHR 10 GB Video Card are both great options. The Radeon RX 6800 will offer better performance for gaming, while the RTX 3080 will provide better performance for workstation tasks. The coolers, motherboards, and power supplies you've chosen are all good options as well, so you really can't go wrong with either build. It really just depends on what you plan to do with the PC.
 
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