no X6 results= fail
Building a new rig for home
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no X6 results= fail
BigWayne: About the Sapphire card, I already have one of those so it would be a shame to buy another lower clocked card (I have the Vapor-X which has better and really quiet cooling) and CF it with that.
About the mobo. I know it is a little on the expensive side. In the old days I used to build the cheapest possible pcs but as I've come to realize, they might be cheaper then, but I'm loosing on performance later. So I'd rather that 60 pounds more due to better overclocking capabilities. Also I'm going for a 750W PSU to be on the safe side.
As for the CPU cooler it is SUPERB, lowest temps I have ever seen on air, will help for overclocking.
About the RAM, I read on a forum that lots of people had problems with that mobo and OCZ ram, otherwise I'd go for that.
About the mobo. I know it is a little on the expensive side. In the old days I used to build the cheapest possible pcs but as I've come to realize, they might be cheaper then, but I'm loosing on performance later. So I'd rather that 60 pounds more due to better overclocking capabilities. Also I'm going for a 750W PSU to be on the safe side.
As for the CPU cooler it is SUPERB, lowest temps I have ever seen on air, will help for overclocking.
About the RAM, I read on a forum that lots of people had problems with that mobo and OCZ ram, otherwise I'd go for that.
Hi again M1k3H,
I've broken your reply down in order to address each point separately
£154.99 inc
I can't think of one good reason to buy a single Vapor-X HD 5770 let alone two? . . . it costs an extra 24% and offers how much extra performance? . . . . if you can get it super cheap fair enough but if your gonna pay full whack I think you are paying through the nose . . . well considering the HD 5830 is an extra £5.00? . . . .
XFX ATI Radeon HD 5830
£159.99 inc
So OverClocking aside your maybe thinking that two PCI-E 2.0 16x/16x Crossfire is going to be what percentage faster than a PCI-E 2.0 8x/8x Crossfire? . . . and are you really prepared to pay out real-money for something you will not notice in the Real-World unless you are a benchmarker and like to talk about your benchmarks and hardware?
It's your money £££ buddy and please spend it how you please but your reasons don't make much sense to anyone who is immune to marketing hype!
The 750w Zalman PSU you choose costs an extra 84% premium over the 600w OCZ . . . . that's a huge premium to be paying for no particular reason?
The memory works just fine, at least the two sets I've used along with the 890GX chipset? . . . the [SPD] settings are configured for the INTEL platform so all that is needed is to manually set one of the timings and set the voltage . . . this task takes approximately 1 minute . . . . is one minute of your time worth £32
I've broken your reply down in order to address each point separately
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5770 Vapor-X
£154.99 inc
I can't think of one good reason to buy a single Vapor-X HD 5770 let alone two? . . . it costs an extra 24% and offers how much extra performance? . . . . if you can get it super cheap fair enough but if your gonna pay full whack I think you are paying through the nose . . . well considering the HD 5830 is an extra £5.00? . . . .
XFX ATI Radeon HD 5830
£159.99 inc
The 890GX costs £104.99 . . the 890FX costs £164.99 which is an extra +57% . . . . what value are you getting for this more than half the price again premium? . . . . overclocking? . . . I don't believe the 890FX will overclock a Phenom II X6 any better than the 890GX . . . if it is better then roughly what %? . . . 1% . . . 2% and your paying an extra 57% premium for this?
So OverClocking aside your maybe thinking that two PCI-E 2.0 16x/16x Crossfire is going to be what percentage faster than a PCI-E 2.0 8x/8x Crossfire? . . . and are you really prepared to pay out real-money for something you will not notice in the Real-World unless you are a benchmarker and like to talk about your benchmarks and hardware?
It's your money £££ buddy and please spend it how you please but your reasons don't make much sense to anyone who is immune to marketing hype!
Hmmm safe side? . . . a CrossFired HD 5770 system pulls about 400 watts and your adding an extra 87% overhead by buying a 750watt PSU? . . . even a Crossfired HD 5830 comes in around 500watts utter load so this leaves an extra 50% unused overhead? . . . . me thinks your idea of safe-side and my idea of safe-side are not the same!
The 750w Zalman PSU you choose costs an extra 84% premium over the 600w OCZ . . . . that's a huge premium to be paying for no particular reason?
£55 is big money for a cooler . . . unless you are an OverCooler I don't see what advantage the extra 21% premium will bring you in the Real-World vs the £40 Thermalright option?. . . . The computer is unlikey to be faster or offer more performance or last longer or be quieter for this extra money? . . . so why are you spending extra money? . . . 1°C . . . 2°C . . . does it mean anything to anyone?
Really? . . . who are these people? . . . do they know what they are doing? . . . are you going spend an extra 35% premium based on what "lots of people" say and not facts?
The memory works just fine, at least the two sets I've used along with the 890GX chipset? . . . the [SPD] settings are configured for the INTEL platform so all that is needed is to manually set one of the timings and set the voltage . . . this task takes approximately 1 minute . . . . is one minute of your time worth £32
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I think the Phenom II X4 4.0GHz is pretty much representing the X6 at 4.0GHz.
Looking at this comparison of 965BE at 3.99GHz and 1090TBE at 3.87GHz:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/04/27/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-black-edition/8 (dual-thread)
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/04/27/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-black-edition/9 (single-thread)
It is a pretty good idication that Phenom II X6 and Phenom II X4 at the same clock speed would pretty much be around the same frame rate for games that run as single up to four threads. Even for games that are optimised for using more cores, it doesn't neccessarily means the game itselfs 'need' more cores or would deliver better frame rate with more cores being used:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/07/05/how-many-cpu-cores-do-games-need/5
Except for when the number of cores are really less than the game need (not can use), frame rate will always be more affected by the CPU architecture and clock speed than having more cores than a game need.
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Ignore.
Hi again M1k3H,
I've broken your reply down in order to address each point separately
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5770 Vapor-X
£154.99 inc
I can't think of one good reason to buy a single Vapor-X HD 5770 let alone two? . . . it costs an extra 24% and offers how much extra performance? . . . . if you can get it super cheap fair enough but if your gonna pay full whack I think you are paying through the nose . . . well considering the HD 5830 is an extra £5.00? . . . .
XFX ATI Radeon HD 5830
£159.99 inc
The 890GX costs £104.99 . . the 890FX costs £164.99 which is an extra +57% . . . . what value are you getting for this more than half the price again premium? . . . . overclocking? . . . I don't believe the 890FX will overclock a Phenom II X6 any better than the 890GX . . . if it is better then roughly what %? . . . 1% . . . 2% and your paying an extra 57% premium for this?
So OverClocking aside your maybe thinking that two PCI-E 2.0 16x/16x Crossfire is going to be what percentage faster than a PCI-E 2.0 8x/8x Crossfire? . . . and are you really prepared to pay out real-money for something you will not notice in the Real-World unless you are a benchmarker and like to talk about your benchmarks and hardware?
It's your money £££ buddy and please spend it how you please but your reasons don't make much sense to anyone who is immune to marketing hype!
Hmmm safe side? . . . a CrossFired HD 5770 system pulls about 400 watts and your adding an extra 87% overhead by buying a 750watt PSU? . . . even a Crossfired HD 5830 comes in around 500watts utter load so this leaves an extra 50% unused overhead? . . . . me thinks your idea of safe-side and my idea of safe-side are not the same!
The 750w Zalman PSU you choose costs an extra 84% premium over the 600w OCZ . . . . that's a huge premium to be paying for no particular reason?
£55 is big money for a cooler . . . unless you are an OverCooler I don't see what advantage the extra 21% premium will bring you in the Real-World vs the £40 Thermalright option?. . . . The computer is unlikey to be faster or offer more performance or last longer or be quieter for this extra money? . . . so why are you spending extra money? . . . 1°C . . . 2°C . . . does it mean anything to anyone?
Really? . . . who are these people? . . . do they know what they are doing? . . . are you going spend an extra 35% premium based on what "lots of people" say and not facts?
The memory works just fine, at least the two sets I've used along with the 890GX chipset? . . . the [SPD] settings are configured for the INTEL platform so all that is needed is to manually set one of the timings and set the voltage . . . this task takes approximately 1 minute . . . . is one minute of your time worth £32
Very detailed post mate, thumps up
Hello BigWayne and thanks for your replies, much appreciated.
First of, I already have one vapor-x and the reason as to why I am buying another one the same is 1st for the scaling of CF to the lowest clocks and second for the quiet cooling.
About the mobo you are making sense, it's just that this week I've been reading a lot to find the exact component of my build, and it seems that the mobo I chose is the most successful overclocker for the bung for that cpu.
About the cooler. Right now the outside temp of where I live is 45 degrees. The inside temp at night is 32 degrees. So yes, you might think that in the UK it'll be 1-2 degrees, but for here it is quite important.
About the power supply, I've used an online psu calc and it came out to 625W average, that's why I chose 750. If you can confirm however that with an OCed cpu and those 2 cards and 3 HDDs, 1 optical etc etc a 600W is enough, i'll go with that.
Sorry about the rush but I'm in a hurry here, will be back in a couple of hours.
First of, I already have one vapor-x and the reason as to why I am buying another one the same is 1st for the scaling of CF to the lowest clocks and second for the quiet cooling.
About the mobo you are making sense, it's just that this week I've been reading a lot to find the exact component of my build, and it seems that the mobo I chose is the most successful overclocker for the bung for that cpu.
About the cooler. Right now the outside temp of where I live is 45 degrees. The inside temp at night is 32 degrees. So yes, you might think that in the UK it'll be 1-2 degrees, but for here it is quite important.
About the power supply, I've used an online psu calc and it came out to 625W average, that's why I chose 750. If you can confirm however that with an OCed cpu and those 2 cards and 3 HDDs, 1 optical etc etc a 600W is enough, i'll go with that.
Sorry about the rush but I'm in a hurry here, will be back in a couple of hours.
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How much extra juice overclocking needs? I have a 620W Corsair modular, with a HD5850 / 890GX / 1055T / H-50. I'm kind of in the same position, not knowing how safe I can crank it up.
EDIT : Thermaltake Power Supply Calculator says 611W with crossfire 5850, and 3.8Ghz overclock. Should have done that calculation before hand
Will need another PSU when switching to crossfire later.
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power usage of crossfire cards and a intel I7 rig,
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/11/24/multi-gpu-round-up/8
with psus working best at 50-60% load, you can work out what you need.
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/11/24/multi-gpu-round-up/8
with psus working best at 50-60% load, you can work out what you need.
I'm not sure if that's true? . . . are you talking about OCZ's whole range or just this DDR3-1600 CL8 gold stuff? . . . is there any facts to support this claim?
You mean someone bought a set of duff memory that happened to be OCZ? . . . was it duff? . . . did they know what they were doing? . . . does this mean we shouldn't use or recommend a particular brand of affordable memory because of this? . . . . I've had DOA Crucial, bOrked Gskill, fubared Corsair (two sets) and knackered Kingston . . . if I was to not recommend a certain manufacturer based on the fact I had a set fail before then I would have a none existent list of manufacturers to choose from . . .
I've used two sets of that ram and not had a problem yet (3 months), would be nice if they had the correct [SPD] settings for usage in a non-Intel® machine but this isn't actually a problem for anyone that is comfortable entering BIOS and manually selecting the CAS value and vDimm value . . . it seems to default to 1.5vDimm which caused issues but once manually set to 1.65vDimm it's perfect!
4GB (2x2GB) OCZ Gold DDR3-1600 Cas 8
£99.00 inc £89.00 inc This Week Only!
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=16859435&postcount=13
And im sure NathwWraith must know something about return failure rates of the OCZ gold memory, working for OCUK!
from this thread, http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18150227&highlight=username_NathWraith
Sorry stulid, your criteria and my criteria for assessing what is true and what is false are worlds apart! . . . . I would never recommend a product to someone if I thought it wasn't up to snuff or would cause them a technical headache . . . honestly I really believe there is nothing wrong with the OCZ gold? . . . 1600MHz cas 8 for £90 . . . . what's not to like?
I bought a set from OcUK and a while later another set from a competitor and it's nice and shiny, and works fine? . . . . dunno why they set it to default to 1.5vDimm but manually change it to 1.65vDimm and get on with it!
I'm not gonna accept that what someone said to someone who then said to someone else is in anyway more accurate or "Truthful" than my own first hand experience? . . . I have no idea who NathWrath is or what his technical level is or indeed what his function for OcUk is? . . . if there was a genuine problem I would expect to see an official post detailing the problem or in fact the product withdrawn from sale . . .
It works fine for me and in the absence of proof to the contrary (beyond a single post) it stands to reason it will work fine for someone else! . . . no more scaremongering please . . . your could be misleading people and making them waste cash ££ which isn't a good thing, check and double check your facts before advising people how to spend their hard earned money please!
. . . . I would never recommend a product to someone if I thought it wasn't up to snuff or would cause them a technical headache . . . honestly I really believe there is nothing wrong with the OCZ gold? . . . 1600MHz cas 8 for £90 . . . . what's not to like? I bought a set from OcUK and a while later another set from a competitor and it's nice and shiny, and works fine? . . . . dunno why they set it to default to 1.5vDimm but manually change it to 1.65vDimm and get on with it!
I'm not gonna accept that what someone said to someone who then said to someone else is in anyway more accurate or "Truthful" than my own first hand experience? . . . I have no idea who NathWrath is or what his technical level is or indeed what his function for OcUk is? . . . if there was a genuine problem I would expect to see an official post detailing the problem or in fact the product withdrawn from sale . . .
It works fine for me and in the absence of proof to the contrary (beyond a single post) it stands to reason it will work fine for someone else! . . . no more scaremongering please . . . your could be misleading people and making them waste cash ££ which isn't a good thing, check and double check your facts before advising people how to spend their hard earned money please!