Building an internal wall

[Gilly]

Off to get some timber to put a frame together with our lass's dad.

I'm not entirely convinced he has it right. He wants to screw the top of the frame to the metal beam in the ceiling through the centre of the wood.

If its an I beam that'll just result in a lot of dead self tapping screws, no?

[edit]The house is over 100 years old. Anyone know what beam is likely (if it's original)?

 

[mollymoo]

Last time I built one the top of the frame wasn't attached at the top. We built it on the floor and lifted it into place so there had to be a gap.

 

[Gilly]

Interesting. How did you add strength into the frame if it wasn't attached?

 

[Maccapacca]

Just did the same thing, we have a steel beam splitting the joists front to back in my house, I ran a wall down his line so had to fix into the beam.

Tek Screws

That's all you need to know

 

[Gilly]

Tek screws? Where from? Ta

 

[mollymoo]

Screwfix

 

[Maccapacca]

http://www.screwfix.com/p/self-dril...GnPPdw5My7NJrBGdKwLjX1f4BLwZlXFk4Gxk!31220696

And buy CLS timber 75x50 I'd guess it's mega cheap and won't shrink like standard softwood and crack all your hard work. If you're plasterboarding make sure you get your spacings right otherwise you won't be able to fix the edge of the plasterboard and end up adding additional pattresses

 

[mollymoo]

Interesting. How did you add strength into the frame if it wasn't attached?

It was screwed into the floor and up either side in to the walls. plenty strong enough.

 

[Maccapacca]

It was screwed into the floor and up either side in to the walls. plenty strong enough.

You need more blag, what you left was a 'movement joint head detail'

 

[Nodiggidy123]

Just did the same thing, we have a steel beam splitting the joists front to back in my house, I ran a wall down his line so had to fix into the beam.

Tek Screws

That's all you need to know

why not go wild and hilti gun it!

 

[mollymoo]

You need more blag, what you left was a 'movement joint head detail'

I'd be no good as a builder, I haven't got the gift of the gab.

 

[Nightglow]

And buy CLS timber 75x50 I'd guess it's mega cheap and won't shrink

Use 100x50 CLS timber (will allow a standard door lining to be used) if your having a doorway, & fix studs at 400mm centres.

And don't scrimp on noggins, & use extra ones on the sole plate, as this will give a some additional fixings for skirting.

 

[Unicorn]

Screw into floor and walls on each side, tek screws be what you need

 

[bitslice]

Good luck drilling into an I-beam

 

[Gilly]

Don't need tek screws for masonry and wood :/

There was a builder behind us in the queue at the build place. Knocked me out enough tek screws out the back of his van for nothing more than agreeing to take his business card

 

[bitslice]

Tek screws are for drilling into thin sheet steel, not I-Beams (which are a complete biatch to drill into even with a grade A HSS drill)

 

[beefybarn]

Screw the bottom and sides and just gripfill the top, it will be plenty strong enough.

 

[Gilly]

Tek screws are for drilling into thin sheet steel, not I-Beams (which are a complete biatch to drill into even with a grade A HSS drill)

The builder was happy enough with doing it, and I have a good drill on its way. We'll see. If it doesn't work I've lost nowt.

 

[FISHGUTS]

Can you get hold of a hilti gun?
That's what I use in that situation.

 

[Gilly]

No. Been asking around but don't really know tradesmen. Both our dads have always just done stuff themselves.