Built in ovens...

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TheFew

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Hi,

In my kitchen I have a neff built in oven that is around 10+ years old. It is pretty manky and now is tripping the electrics when the oven is used.

So looking to remove it and replace it.

I understand these are just held in with a few screws. So once the power is disconnected it should be a simple job to remove it and toss it. Famous last words....

What I do not really know however, is what do I need to consider when buying a replacement.

Are they all the same size and essentially plug and play? Or are there lots of subtle considerations that I would have no idea about?

Thanks
 
You've got it, if it's a single oven it'll be either 46 or 60cm if it's a double they'll be 90cm. But need to turn it off at the RCD, disconnect and remove then just replace. Providing it is hard wired not a plug in one. If it is you might need to upgrade your feed to it as most will need a minimum spec feed especially if you go with one with a pyrolitic cleaning function (highly recommended).
 
It depends actually on what type of oven it is these days as some of the better ones with pyrolytic self clean liners require a higher fused connection. I know this because we had an induction hob and that had to use the oven circuit which didn't leave another decent connection to have a pyrolytic oven.
 
SoliD said:
You've got it, if it's a single oven it'll be either 46 or 60cm if it's a double they'll be 90cm. But need to turn it off at the RCD, disconnect and remove then just replace. Providing it is hard wired not a plug in one. If it is you might need to upgrade your feed to it as most will need a minimum spec feed especially if you go with one with a pyrolitic cleaning function (highly recommended).
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Thanks. It is a single electric fan. Is the 46 /60 cm measurement the height or width? I.e. which physical part of the unit will I need to measure to check the size?

From a quick look it is hard wired and runs via an isolator switch (maybe also an unlined fused wall socket). Would assume that the feed from the RCD is 30A, but have not checked yet.
 
thenewoc said:
It depends actually on what type of oven it is these days as some of the better ones with pyrolytic self clean liners require a higher fused connection. I know this because we had an induction hob and that had to use the oven circuit which didn't leave another decent connection to have a pyrolytic oven.
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Thanks. Will have to read up on what a pyrolytic oven is! Not looking to spend a huge amount as we may get the kitchen redone in a few years (if we do not move) so will probably end up with a fan oven.. but the agai the wife bakes... so she will decide on the kit.
 
Ah ok. Pyrolytic is the self cleaning function. Given my current cooker runs into a 13amp fused spur, I will probably limit my search to an oven with the same power needs. Don't want to have to mess around with the electrics.
 
Actually after checking it looks like the cooked is on a 32a red fuse with only a indicator switch between the red and the cooker. The 13a fused spur in the same are is for something else... but gawd knows what.
 
From what I've read lately (we're in a similar situation with a dodgy oven tripping electrics). You need to be part P certified to disconnect and reconnect the oven.
 
I have a double eye level oven and all you need to do is unscrew a few screws down the sides - I do find it helps when I remove it to put my workmate bench in front to put it on while removing the live feed (switched off obviously)

If you have cupboard underneath or above then measure inside of unit side to side for oven width..
 
Semple said:
From what I've read lately (we're in a similar situation with a dodgy oven tripping electrics). You need to be part P certified to disconnect and reconnect the oven.
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Yes I agree you will need to be suitably qualified to disconnect and connect an oven. But on the balance of risk I feel connecting an oven is low risk from an electrical competence point of view. I.e. the removal and reconnection of a single wire. I am aware others may disagree however!
 
DXP55 said:
I have a double eye level oven and all you need to do is unscrew a few screws down the sides - I do find it helps when I remove it to put my workmate bench in front to put it on while removing the live feed (switched off obviously)
If you have cupboard underneath or above then measure inside of unit side to side for oven width..
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Thanks. Just had it out. Two screws on each side securing a trim plate and under that one screw on each side bitting I to the unit. Slide it out onto a table and glad to see a decent length of wire so no major issues!

now to buy.something.
 
Semple said:
From what I've read lately (we're in a similar situation with a dodgy oven tripping electrics). You need to be part P certified to disconnect and reconnect the oven.
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TheFew said:
Yes I agree you will need to be suitably qualified to disconnect and connect an oven. But on the balance of risk I feel connecting an oven is low risk from an electrical competence point of view. I.e. the removal and reconnection of a single wire. I am aware others may disagree however!
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I'm sure you will be fine, probably one of the easiest electrical jobs I've ever done! Hardest part is lifting it in. 46/60cm would be the height. If you can stretch to Pyrolytic I'd go for one and besides if you're redoing your kitchen, it's not like you can't continue with the same unit.
 
In terms of electrics. Just checked out my current set up...

The current cooker is 3.68kw (so 16Amp) hard wired into and isolator switch and then wired into the MCB/RCD on a 32Amp breaker running on 6mm cable. The 32Amp breaker also feeds the ignitor on the gas hob.

Does that all sound normal and safe before I replace it with a new 16Amp cooker?

Thanks
 
Sounds normal to me, gas hob igniters use barely 1 amp from what I recall.

So yeah just get a normal 13/16a oven whatever you fancy. I've just had a new kitchen put in and got this Neff N50 oven from AO who price matched a small retailer at £519. The missus loves the slide n hide door (she cooks & bakes a lot too) and the pyrolytic cleaning. It heats up quick and is really nice to use even for a bloke :D

Even if you get a new kitchen, there's nothing stopping you keeping the new oven you buy now :)
 
Sparx said:
Sounds normal to me, gas hob igniters use barely 1 amp from what I recall.

So yeah just get a normal 13/16a oven whatever you fancy. I've just had a new kitchen put in and got this Neff N50 oven from AO who price matched a small retailer at £519. The missus loves the slide n hide door (she cooks & bakes a lot too) and the pyrolytic cleaning. It heats up quick and is really nice to use even for a bloke :D

Even if you get a new kitchen, there's nothing stopping you keeping the new oven you buy now :)
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Thanks for the info. Very useful. Our current oven is an old NEFF with a slide and hide and the wife wants the same again.. so will look at that one. The one she is currently looking at is £750. But I prefer the sound of £519.
 
Neff here and I really like them, I have a double, single steam oven and microwave oven combi and all have been great so far. The steam oven is fantastic if you are big bakers, but come at a cost.

I had Zanussi at my old place which were similar but definitely built to a slightly lower cost/quality than the Neff despite functionality being essentially the same.
 
TheFew said:
Thanks for the info. Very useful. Our current oven is an old NEFF with a slide and hide and the wife wants the same again.. so will look at that one. The one she is currently looking at is £750. But I prefer the sound of £519.
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Yeah that's prob the N70 version, I looked at that but then saw this N50 model - same slide n hide, pyrolytic cleaning - just had a smaller digital screen rather than a full digital panel. Tbh I much prefer having the smaller digital screen and 2 physical knobs to turn for the oven modes and temperature.
 
TheFew said:
Thanks for the info. Very useful. Our current oven is an old NEFF with a slide and hide and the wife wants the same again.. so will look at that one. The one she is currently looking at is £750. But I prefer the sound of £519.
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Check out Bosch / Siemens as well. They're all the same group and are all pretty much copy/pastes of each other. You might just find that Bosch happens to have an offer on that the Neff doesn't etc. Siemens are generally more expensive though.

I've a non pyrolytic self-cleaning only Neff N50 double. Wish I'd stumped up the extra to make it that bit easier :/.
 
Thanks all. I think the wife is set on Neff and I'm not one to argue.

Self cleaning is a must. I think we have cleaned the oven once in the last 5 years....
 
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