Bus driver grabbing child on school premises

[Werewolf]

The refusal to show the CCTV footage that would back him up and sort the issue out very quickly makes me think the bus driver is either lying about what happened, or there is meant to be CCTV (IIRC most busses have had it as standard for years at this point*) and it's not working but is required for the insurance.

It certainly sounds like the guy should possibly not be working around children. or is playing games with regards to clearing it up because cameras that are meant to be there, aren't.

And i'm saying this knowing we're only getting the op's side of the story.


*I'm fairly sure it's been fitted as standard for a very long time at this point, as most insurance companies pretty much expect external cameras to help with claims, and internal to help with assaults/etc on the drivers. And most operators/owners realised a very long time ago that a couple of grand in cameras pays for itself both in the insurance premiums and in the first dodgy claim, either for damage or personal injury,

 

[Matrix]

Without seeing a video of what happened or listening to the bus driver's account we only have half a story....it is difficult to take sides without being biased.

You said that your son has ADHD...not really an excuse from a health and safety POV, and you said he was talking, how loudly and in what manner? You said he was asked to sit down, meaning he needed to be told to sit down, and not by his own accord, meaning he wasn't "just" talking.

To me, there is part of the story that is missing here. Without it, can't really pass judgment. I know you are the parent, so you are taking your son's side, naturally but what is the other side of the story?

He got on the bus and was one of the first on there, As he was moving up to sit down he seen his mate and started talking to him . Then he was asked could you take your seat like he did and sat with his other friend .

The bus driver is the owner of the company and is known from what the kids say around here screaming and shouting at them. which part of me gets if there mucking around and not getting on the bus but to be fair the run in i had had with him yesterday when he posted the letter through our door i can see what they mean. And even when i questioned him about what went on the story changed again from what he said to school and what the school re-laid back to us the Thursday and Friday before Christmas.

Considering some kids play their music from there phones I'm thinking he wasn't loud but again seeing cctv would clear a lot up .

 

[Matrix]

The refusal to show the CCTV footage that would back him up and sort the issue out very quickly makes me think the bus driver is either lying about what happened, or there is meant to be CCTV (IIRC most busses have had it as standard for years at this point*) and it's not working but is required for the insurance.

It certainly sounds like the guy should possibly not be working around children. or is playing games with regards to clearing it up because cameras that are meant to be there, aren't.

And i'm saying this knowing we're only getting the op's side of the story.


*I'm fairly sure it's been fitted as standard for a very long time at this point, as most insurance companies pretty much expect external cameras to help with claims, and internal to help with assaults/etc on the drivers.

Was un aware of that to be fair about insurance etc . I just can't work out why the school haven't asked for it or they have not said anything . Its just frustrating very frustrating..

 

[Stu999]

What is it your son is supposed to have done then? The school must have said something? They can't just be saying "the driver kicked him off the bus and that's ok" and nothing else.

I'm struggling to figure out what this means or the relevance to the owner removing your son from the bus

Presumably that the child doesn't have a valid ticket for travel if it's not his bus pass?

I mean read the thread, they're refusing to show the other side of the story. I'm less willing to trust the bus driver, who in my experience are more likely to be ***** than any other profession outside of maybe taxi drivers, when they're refusing to show anyone the CCTV.

You don't necessarily need CCTV. We haven't been told what the reason is, e.g. bus company say child was acting like a **** / unsafe / whatever.

 

[Kenai]

Presumably that the child doesn't have a valid ticket for travel if it's not his bus pass?

Which would make sense but isn't really even close to what's actually written there

 

[kindai]

I think youve been patient/more than accomodating to this point and should report it to the police as an assault. Id also report the school to the LEA for failing to invesitgate.

Should light a fire under various bums.

 

[Werewolf]

Was un aware of that to be fair about insurance etc . I just can't work out why the school haven't asked for it or they have not said anything . Its just frustrating very frustrating..

I'm making a bit of a guess about the insurance thing with cameras, but everything i've heard from bus drivers etc is that basically it massively cuts the costs down because it clears up all sorts of liability issues, and the operators are usually pretty much desperate for that as it lowers the ongoing costs.

I certainly can't remember seeing any "new" or refurbed bus without CCTV for a very very long time now.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I mean read the thread, they're refusing to show the other side of the story. I'm less willing to trust the bus driver, who in my experience are more likely to be ***** than any other profession outside of maybe taxi drivers, when they're refusing to show anyone the CCTV.

That's what the OP is saying though that they want the full story so if their son was playing up they can deal with it, the problem being the bus driver/company don't want to provide the other side of the story and would rather paint themselves in the wrong light which seems a bit weird but people can be strange creatures.

Sorry, I did...but got lost halfway due to the lack of comma! My fault, some of the grammar confused the crap out of me when shifting "They" and "Our" in the same sentence when it is the same body (school) lol my bad

Anyway...let me get this right, I am just trying to pin down the objective, not subjective part. In short:-

OP son claimed bus driver "assaulted" him by physically removing him from the bus. (Which I agree, can't do that.)
OP are trying to get CCTV.
Bus company and the school not helping.
OP wants to know what to do?

He got on the bus and was one of the first on there, As he was moving up to sit down he seen his mate and started talking to him . Then he was asked could you take your seat like he did and sat with his other friend .

The bus driver is the owner of the company and is known from what the kids say around here screaming and shouting at them. which part of me gets if there mucking around and not getting on the bus but to be fair the run in i had had with him yesterday when he posted the letter through our door i can see what they mean. And even when i questioned him about what went on the story changed again from what he said to school and what the school re-laid back to us the Thursday and Friday before Christmas.

Considering some kids play their music from there phones I'm thinking he wasn't loud but again seeing cctv would clear a lot up .

Right, I see. A lot of things you said are hearsay, except the bit about the bus driver being the owner, that is a fact. The rest of it is hearsay and won't get you anywhere in a legal sense. If the school says it's not their problem then next step is the police if you want to pursue this. I can't see it any other way. You could go to the local papers but they also are not going to entertain it without some proof besides your word.

 

[Matrix]

What is it your son is supposed to have done then? The school must have said something? They can't just be saying "the driver kicked him off the bus and that's ok" and nothing else.


Presumably that the child doesn't have a valid ticket for travel if it's not his bus pass?


You don't necessarily need CCTV. We haven't been told what the reason is, e.g. bus company say child was acting like a **** / unsafe / whatever.

Said he was rolling around the floor but the teacher that got on to sort out someone else's bus pass said he wasn't at all and was sat down . I'd love to see anyone roll around a bus floor to be fair

The bus wasn't even moving it was still loading up to be fair from a few of the kids around here they moan about him saying he's not a nice guy. Though saying that sure others say he is..

 

[Stu999]

Said he was rolling around the floor but the teacher that got on to sort out someone else's bus pass said he wasn't at all and was sat down . I'd love to see anyone roll around a bus floor to be fair

The bus wasn't even moving it was still loading up to be fair from a few of the kids around here they moan about him saying he's not a nice guy. Though saying that sure others say he is..

Ahh, right. Yes, I can see why they won't release the CCTV if it is going to show that your son wasn't rolling around on the floor.

 

[Matrix]

Sorry, I did...but got lost halfway due to the lack of comma! My fault, some of the grammar confused the crap out of me when shifting "They" and "Our" in the same sentence when it is the same body (school) lol my bad

Anyway...let me get this right, I am just trying to pin that the objective, not subjective part. In short:-

OP son claimed bus driver "assaulted" him by physically removing him from the bus. (Which I agree, can't do that.)
OP are trying to get CCTV.
Bus company and the school not helping.
OP wants to know what to do?



Right, I see. A lot of things you said are hearsay, except the bit about the bus driver being the owner, that is a fact. The rest of it is hearsay and won't get you anywhere in a legal sense. If the school says it's not their problem then next step is the police if you want to pursue this. I can't see it any other way. You could go to the local papers but they also are not going to entertain it without some proof besides your word.

I just personally think the school should be taking some stance over this more than they are washing there hands of it when it's on there grounds and they give the drive a contract to pick and drop of kids.

A 60 ( guessing) old man grabbing a 13 years old by the shoulder and pulling him back in my eye isn't correct and the fact he admitted that night he shouldn't have done it puzzles my why the school haven't done anything about it.

As I'm sure as hell thinking if i went in there and grabbed someone I'd be removed from grounds and not allowed in . I know one parents shouted at the teachers as his child was getting bullied and was getting nowhere and they banned him.

 

[ColdAsIce]

I’m sure your son told the story 100% factually xD without any bias.

 

[Mujja]

I’m sure your son told the story 100% factually xD without any bias.

The OP hasn't claimed once his son is blameless and said he will discipline him if needed. We have two completely different stories, the driver just needs to share the CCTV so we the OP can see what really happened.

I don't believe any of us ever told our parents the truth about anything

 

[200sols]

Theres no way we can make a judgement on here without seeing the CCTV.

 

[Rroff]

I think youve been patient/more than accomodating to this point and should report it to the police as an assault. Id also report the school to the LEA for failing to invesitgate.

Should light a fire under various bums.

Obviously we only have one side of the story but from that what they need to be doing is having a sit down with the head of the school bringing up those points voicing their concerns in respect to taking it up with the LEA and police if things aren't dealt with satisfactorily. This is one of the functions of the head of the school.

It is entirely reasonable to have the full information so as to know whether you need to be managing your child's discipline better if necessary.

 

[Efour]

Agree. If you pursue it you need the CCTV.

Me personally id drop it and move on. Not worth my time.

 

[slinxy]

I would be contacting the police straight away.

This.... if you feel that strong about it, let the police sort it out, they the only ones that can demand evidence.

Playing devil's advocate here, we get this all the time in my local village FB group. But with it being such a small group, we tend to quickly here both sides of the story.

"Some man just slapped my son! how dare them!"
Sorry but you son was on the roof of summer pool throwing stones are people below.

"My daughter was made to walk home from xxxx as the bus driver kicked her off!"
You daughter was spitting on some of the other kids on the bus...

"Who just grabbed my daughter and demained to know where she lived"..
Oh, you're her dad.. please send me your address so I and the rest of the car owners can send the bill for a respray... you daughter has just key'd every car down the street.

"This crazy woman just tried to kill my son with her landdrover!"
Your son was on private land on a motorbike with no helmet on... I was going as slow as possible and as far away as possible but it's a narrow tight lane and I didn't see him as there was brushes in the way.

"Who just told my son off about riding his scooter?!"
You son was on road of a dual carriage way with a 60mph speed limit, with an electric scooter!.. I had to slow right down and follow him with my hazards on to ensure that a lorry or truck didn't wipe him out. I stopped him after we exited the dual carriage way to inform him of road safety!

Those was just some that I remembered from this year alone...

 

[Rroff]

"Who just told my son off about riding his scooter?!"
You son was on road of a dual carriage way with a 60mph speed limit, with an electric scooter!.. I had to slow right down and follow him with my hazards on to ensure that a lorry or truck didn't wipe him out. I stopped him after we exited the dual carriage way to inform him of road safety!

Seen a similar one recently on Facebook with accusations someone was trying to abduct their son where some kid came out of a junction and flying diagonally across the road on an electric scooter against traffic for about 100 yards before going on the right side. To be fair the parent did a quick 180 when the truth came out.

In a sort of related note on the same page saw a funny one few days ago where someone had moved into the area and was kicking off about farm noise at 5am from the farm next to their house, had complained to the parish council and environmental health and was threatening to take it to the police and court, etc. practically the whole village piled in on them ripping them to shreds.

 

[Werewolf]

In a sort of related note on the same page saw a funny one few days ago where someone had moved into the area and was kicking off about farm noise at 5am from the farm next to their house, had complained to the parish council and environmental health and was threatening to take it to the police and court, etc. practically the whole village piled in on them ripping them to shreds.

Those are always fun "I've just moved in next to something that's been going for 1000 years, I demand they stop making noise". IIRC there have been complaints about the bell ringers at the church that has been there since the doomsday book in some villages.

I swear some people that move to the picturesque villages because the "want to enjoy the quiet rural life" or "love the old church" etc have less than zero clue about what a typical village with faming going on is actually like.

 

[Rroff]

I swear some people that move to the picturesque villages because the "want to enjoy the quiet rural life" or "love the old church" etc have less than zero clue about what a typical village with faming going on is actually like.

When we moved in here, we understood what it meant farming wise but we hadn't appreciated how much lorries use the road through as a shortcut the couple of visits to the area happened to be at quieter times, not a huge deal but it isn't quite as tranquil, ignoring the farming aspect, as it might be.