Buying a guitar. Beginner advice.

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Hi all,

I have a couple of ukes. Not very good, but at times I find it relaxing to learn some basic songs and focus on something else.

I'm tempted to buy n electric guitar and a tabletop amp.

A good friend, who plays in a band, suggested a Jet js-400 along with a Yamaha thr10.

I trust his advice, but figured I'd still ask here, as without him..this is where I'd come.

Any advice on guitar and amp for a beginner?
 
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Yeah this should probably be in the official guitar thread, you'll get much more response there I think.

For a beginner guitar, be it acoustic, electric or bass, I always think Yamaha is a good starting point. Think of it like the Skoda of the guitar world, fairly well made and good bang for buck. Sure it may not have the fancy name badge, but the workmanship is good and it'll last you ages without breaking the bank. It's always worth asking the shop to give it a basic set-up to check for any niggles, get the action and intonation set properly, and the like. Also ask for fresh strings if it needs it (particularly if it's been opened or sold as an ex-demo model)

Acoustic, something from their 400 series upwards, the 730 used to be very good bang for buck but that is going back some now since I last shopped for one. No idea what they're selling these days. The A3R/A3M were also good workhorses, provided you can get on with the satin/matt neck which I couldn't when i tried one. Not sure if they improved this on the 2nd iteration.

Electric the pacifica 112V (there is a cheaper plain 012/112J, the V has slightly better hardware and the additional humbucker coil tap which makes it more versatile). The 212 is just a prettier version of the 112V, no meaningful improvement so not worth the money IMO. You'd need to the 612V-II for that (SD pickups, improved woods, nut, bridge etc).

Note Yamaha do use a relatively narrow neck though. I really like it, but if you have giant hands or podgy fingers you may want something a bit wider, so try before you buy.

As for amps, the THR is a good suggestion for a beginner and it has the all important headphone option. The sound is good (from trying one in a shop, i've not owned one) and it has a reasonable range of sounds and built-in FX. It also serves as an interface and comes with the beginner's version of cubase which is easily learned via online help enough to get recording and editing. I think this is a wise suggestion from your friend. It's quite portable too.

The only downsides to the Yamaha THR10 are:
1) the lack of an external FX loop (at first this won't matter, in a few years it might, but alone shouldn't be a deal breaker at this stage)
2) the use of digital modelling rather than analogue (if that matters to you at all, and for a beginner it probably shouldn't)
3) the lack of a line-out/PA feed etc which means you can't use it as a monitor as easily - they missed a trick here IMO. Why they didn't make a THR10 with some of the extra circuitry of the THRH (head version) I don't know...
4) price. It used to go for sub £300 but those days are long gone. For a complete suck-it-and-see beginner it might steer you to something cheaper. There is a good 2nd hand trade for these though, so it's not like you'd be buying a turkey.

Similar amps I recall being suggested were little Blackstar numbers (the stereo ones) like the V3-40W and its smaller siblings. They used to be cheaper, and I think were similarly spec'd though possiby larger size. They may have used proprietary recording software i think rather than an industry standard like the cubase family (others exist too). Not tried them personally, but the Blackstar brand has a good rep.

Edit: a quick comparison to the Jet guitar.

The Jet 400 is basically similar to the yamaha 012 in spec: both are HSS strat clones with ceramic pickups (cheapest of the cheap), 5-way switching with no coil tap, beginners whammy/trem bridge etc. They both have 25.5inch scale length (fret spacing should be the same), the Jet has a slightly wider neck/fretboard (42mm at nut to 40.5mm on the yamaha).

As above I would go for something with coil taps though, and the 112V gets you alnico 5 magnetic pickups (generally more desirable than ceramic) The tone I got from my 112V was surprisingly good, and IMO fine for beginner-intermediate level. Not prone to too much squeal. Eventually you'll want to upgrade beyond this, but by that point you'll know it's worth the money and what tone you're after. I would worry the ceramic pickups won't last you as long if you find you get into it. If you want the maple fretboad look for the 112VM models (inculding the rather appealing 112VMX for an all-natural body look if that floats your boat).

The equivalent spec'd Jet is the js-600 which is a similar price. Personally I don't like the use of a miniswitch for coil-tapping though (as opposed to the push-pull tone pot knob with the Yamaha). I can see that getting in the way when trying to adjust volume or tone on the fly and I would worry it might prevent wrapping your little finger around the volume pot while simultanesouly playing the strings or using the whammy bar.
 
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A Yamaha THR10 is not a cheap amp.

Does a beginner need all these extra features? I've one of those BlackStar stereo practice amps and I use about 10% of its features. I actually got a small Boss Katana Mini to use on the couch instead of having to fiddle with the BlackStar.
 
A Yamaha THR10 is not a cheap amp.

Does a beginner need all these extra features? I've one of those BlackStar stereo practice amps and I use about 10% of its features. I actually got a small Boss Katana Mini to use on the couch instead of having to fiddle with the BlackStar.
i think you beat me to my edit. no it's not cheap, but it all depends how long they're going to play for. If they get into it it will likely last them longer. If they give up after a year then it's wasted money.
 
Personally I see a lot of value in a decent amp like the THR10. I got lessons recently and one of the things that made me stop them was the practice amp was some horrible cheap solid state thing with no in-built effects and just sounded totally dead. My teacher had a Katana which sounded amazing by comparison. Obviously you shouldn't use FX to mask your playing and practising, but having access to basic compression, reverb and distortion options will really improve your tone and make learning more fun and engaging.

I remember trying to learn the solo to Marooned in the practice room with no reverb, distortion or delay. It was a depressing experience.
 
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I remember trying to learn the solo to Marooned in the practice room with no reverb, distortion or delay. It was a depressing experience.
This^ I wish we'd had the tech of today when I was growing up. Trying to learn anything when the amp was banned due to <take your pick: neighbours/sleeping siblings/noise sensitive parent/studying older siblings/it's too late now etc> just made it miserable and set me back years of technique and development with hindsight. If I'd just had a reliable headphone amp/cab sim that i could overlay tape/CDs onto that would have been enough. I'd have played it so much more, and at an age where i was learning quicker than i can today
 
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To add to the above really good information, if you are considering acoustic then have a look at the Epiphone DR-100, yes its a dreadnought so might be too big for you (I don't know your size) but its a very decent guitar. When I started playing again I tried one in PMT and it was fantastic.

Amp wise, I quite liked the look of the Orange Crush 20RT when I was up at Richtone on Tuesday, they seem really nice for the price point. They are selling at GAK for £135 atm as well which when you consider they have reverb and a built in tuner, its pretty good value.

Electric guitar wise, I would probably try to find the best you can, second hand and I would go and play some, no matter how good you are. Consider scale length as well, years ago I had a Tanglewood Les Paul copy which has a 25.75" scale length which was lovely to play and regret selling it for the charvel 375 Deluxe which is a strat typology with a 25.5" scale length. I blame this swap for giving up all those years ago. Whilst I've started playing the Charvel again after a long Hiatus, I've just bought a real Les Paul and its SOOO much nicer/easier to play. You might be different though, you might prefer the longer scale length and tighter fretboard radius. Bottom line is go and play a few to find out.
 
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I'm still a beginner (kids got in the way but picking back up soon). I picked up a used Squier Standard for quiet practice (already have an acoustic I inherited). They're close to the same shape and size and as proper Strat and I got it under £100.

I use my PC/laptop with a Focusrite Solo audio interface and apps like ToneBridge, Amplitube etc as an amp. Not always practical but a cheap way in to effects without extra furniture in the house. Latency can be an issue so needs a little bit of research but there are some well prices audio interfaces out there and you also gain the recording ability if that tickles your fancy.

I've looked at modern practice amps such as the Yamaha and Positive Grid Spark. They seem OK, but I think personally would rather use the PC until I rebuild the Marshall 2195 I rescued from decay into a 2x12 cab and build up some analogue effects etc. I'd love to get into playing with a looper but these popular modelling practice amps don't seem to support that easily.
 
a looper pedal can go anywhere in your chain, so you can run it into your amp even if it doesn't have the external FX loop option. It just means the loop feedback will get the same amp processing as your live signal.
 
If you have any interest in ‘high gain’ rock music then I think a humbucker pickup in the bridge is absolutely essential. There is nothing sadder than the sound of a weedy and noisy bridge single coil when you’re trying to rock out in your bedroom :o

You want this:

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Might help if you tell us your budget and what music style you like?

I have a 20+ year old Ibanez RG Series which is good for rock. There's now the new 2023 Ibanez Gio GRG220PA1 for £299, and it looks like a good rock guitar for the money. Personally I like the way Ibanez guitars play.

This electric guitars page lists all the major brands with links to their websites, which should help your research.

For an amp I have an (old) small Park practice amp. I find it's best if the amp is not too bulky for home use. Modern ones have more effects like reverb, overdrive and chorus etc, and these can make playing more fun.

 
@Nitefly The OP is querying an HSS guitar so hopefully they're safe on that.

OP the H is the bridge humbucker as flagged above, and the SS the two single coils at mid and neck.

When I mention coil taps above these allow the H to be split to act as a single coil (it bypasses one half of the humbucker by grounding it). Setting aside the balancing nuances and resistor compromises in passive circuitry HSS is the most versatile format for beginners. Quite why HSH isn't more common with 6-way switching idk as that is more versatile still, but I guess it is overkill for beginners.

Yamaha HSS choose a hot H so the tapped H balances with the single coils. This means the full H has some grunt to it. The switching prevents running the full H with the single coil combinations. This is easily remedied by cutting a wire off one of the ground connections on the tone pot to give you manual control of full H or tapped in any combination where the bridge pickup is used.

Some manufacturers (not sure about Jet) balance the full H with the single coils, so tapping those is less beneficial. If anything you then end up with an anaemic single coil sound. I would imagine the Jet 600 takes a similar approach to Yamaha with the 112V. I haven't been able to confirm that 1st hand though.

You then get into things like which resistor values are used, what the potentiometer sweep profiles are, tone caps, and whether any treble bleed bypass is used in the circuitry. For a beginner don't worry about it - and all those things can be easily altered by a competent guitar tech, or even as a DIY job if you have basic soldering iron skills and aren't afraid of old-school analogue electronic assembly. It actually makes for quite a fun little project, particularly if combined with adding cavity shielding and grounded braided cabling.
 
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Might help if you tell us your budget and what music style you like?

I have a 20+ year old Ibanez RG Series which is good for rock. There's now the new 2023 Ibanez Gio GRG220PA1 for £299, and it looks like a good rock guitar for the money. Personally I like the way Ibanez guitars play.
OMG I thought for a minute you were suggesting an ibanez with its locking nut and floyd-rose trem for a complete beginner. I was about to say that would be a bad idea but that model actually has conventional hardware so I'll let you off!

The Ibanez offers an HH arrangement rather than HSS as the original OP suggestion, albeit with more versatile 5-way (part tapped) switching. That's more versatile than the more common 3-way HH default. Personally I'd prefer fully tapped 3+3 way but there are benefits to each route.
 
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Hi all.

Just a quick note to say thanks for all your inputs.

I'm looking at a max of £500 for a guitar and practise/table top amp.

Electric I'm settled on.

I like listening to all sorts of music, but Gary Moore, dire straits is probably in the back of the mind the sort of music I'd like to learn to play...

I'll look at the Yamaha guitars and some of the other amp options.

Thanks again.
 
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