Buying Alcohol

Agreed, common sense could prevail but with such age-restricted you are told to be super-paranoid. As already pointed out its a group-sale thing, and mr cashier doesn't really wanna lose his/her job because of the potential sale to a minor.
Not sure about the penalties with alcohol and stuff but with betting if me or another staff member serve or indeed even allow and under-age person to be on the premises and we're caught we could:
-Be fined £5000
-Spend 50 wks behind bars and therefore have a criminal record
-Defo lose my job!

I'm a betting shop manager and its SOOO damn annoying ID'ing people who give you attitiude!! If you look young and I'm not familiar with you, then you get ID'ed; betting or not!! I'm 29 and I still ID'ed in place, GF is 34 and she got asked the other day. OK she didn't have any so we left the bar but still. When you get 22/23 year olds come in give you hassle. There's enough signs!!

I was in a betting shop with my grandad a few years back and was over 18. Just being in the shop the guy IDed me.....what is that logic?

Was a bit annoying as I was literally stood watching something on the screen waiting on him.

I got IDed for lottery too last week at 24!
 
Some of these stories are unfortunate but I can tell you that at the store I work in policy would not include asking for ID from an adult buying alcohol if they simply have a child with them.
That is NOT in the training. Some of the examples here and reported in papers are, I suspect, not in line with actual policy from all supermarkets so staying calm and asking to speak to a manager might help the situation.

Shops are only supposed to be looking for the obvious stuff with people buying for others who are underage in order to avoid liability. The penalties are harsh and so people should expect to have ID with them if they are purchasing age-restricted products.
Your actual age is irrelevant as you have to LOOK 25/30 which is subjective and thus why such a range is chosen (to be on the safe side). I do find it amusing when people who are early 20s get upset about being ID'd when we have all these posters, labels and badges that say 25/30 on them.
 
why get so worked up over something you should have with you anyway?

Funny, I don't remember the law changing to mandate that I must carry ID with me at all times. Oh yeah, it didn't.

For young people wanting to purchase alcohol, it's prudent to carry some ID, but that's all. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever for a parent, who's obviously old enough, shopping with their teenage child to need to carry any ID.
 
This makes so no sense. How can it be legal for a parent to give their children alcohol but at the same time be illegal for a shop to sell that alcohol to the parent if they think it will be used for that purpose?

It is illegal to sell alcohol to people under the age of 18, it is illegal for those under 18 to buy alcohol and it is illegal for someone over 18 to buy alcohol on behalf of someone who is under 18, but there is no law as far as I'm aware that states it is illegal for the shop to sell alcohol to someone over 18 if they have the knowledge or suspicion they will be passing it to someone under 18.

At no point did I suggest it made sense and completely agree that it doesn't.

However, if as a retailer you are also blamed when the secondary transaction between adult and minor occurs after the fact then one way to prevent that is to act on suspicions before they become reality. It is a bad system that is flawed by inconsistent guidelines from companies, licensing authorities and in my experience policing.

The simple fact is that staff are told if in doubt to ID everyone and I find it hard to see how any blame can be attached to them for that when they are scaremongered by companies about the fines being personal to them and the knowledge that if you make a mistake your company will not support you. They will do their best to make it out as your fault in order to appease the licencers. Signed document to say you understand the law, signed document to say you understand the under 50s ID policy, etc.. All of it is blame shifting onto minimum wage workers who get the grief from the public too.

I still sell alcohol and haven't refused a purchase for 5 years now fyi.
 
I was in a betting shop with my grandad a few years back and was over 18. Just being in the shop the guy IDed me.....what is that logic?

Was a bit annoying as I was literally stood watching something on the screen waiting on him.

I got IDed for lottery too last week at 24!

I have a feeling you have to be over 18 to be in a gambling establishment, whether you're actually gambling or not.
 
I totally see why they do it, and do understand it. Very irritating though. I was in Morrison's last Friday and buying my dinner (steak, smoked salmon, langoustine, rocket, and other obvious dinner things). I also put a bottle of Petit Chablis in my trolley. Got to the tills, both me and my girlfriend were IDed and she didn't have her passport on her so we couldn't get it. I think sometimes the cashier should exercise some common sense - I think it was quite obvious that I wasn't buying a bottle of Petit Chablis for some 14 year olds round the corner.

But that being said, the Challenge 25 stuff has been around for ages now so you really should make sure you have ID on you.

Considering challenge 25 is bs rather than everyone just cave in, because someone, somewhere will get done for serving someone they thought looked over 25 and it will become challenge 30, then it will become challenge 30 for cigarrettes, then for buying FHM and porn and anything scissors, and a cutlery set, etc, etc.

if no one bothered to carry ID on them, or at least refused to show it in shops and people stopped buying alcohol for like an entire 3 days, Tesco/Sainsburys/Asda/etc revenues would drop so fast as would tax into the government, that both would immediately jump back to common sense, if they look under 18, and no ridiculous losing a licence just because one teenager looks way older than they are.


Anyway, most of the world realised simply parenting lessons like, make something illegal or "naughty" and your kids immediately want it just to see what it is they are missing. America/UK/places that tend to have stupid high drinking ages and daft laws tend to have the most problem drinkers. Those places that make it just another part of life, it never becomes that symbol of being a badass and wanting to get drunk when you're 15, because every can, and has. Let 15 year olds have a couple beers, and at 20 they won't be binge drinkers, make it difficult to get alcohol at 15, they'll do it far less frequently and go WAY over the top when they get their hands on it, and you've created a binge drinking, blacking out, badly behaving idiot.

If people just refused to go along with stupid stuff, the stupid stuff would disappear.
 
Shops are only supposed to be looking for the obvious stuff with people buying for others who are underage in order to avoid liability. The penalties are harsh and so people should expect to have ID with them if they are purchasing age-restricted products.
Your actual age is irrelevant as you have to LOOK 25/30 which is subjective and thus why such a range is chosen (to be on the safe side). I do find it amusing when people who are early 20s get upset about being ID'd when we have all these posters, labels and badges that say 25/30 on them.

Thats not exactly the same, but also not too far away from an airport deciding to body cavity search everyone, and saying "but there are posters everywhere" I have no idea why people get upset. Its an inconvenience, one born out of lack of common sense, and lack of common sense in the world winds me up more than just about everyone else.

Stores being too stupid to realise mistakes happen, governments deciding to be overly harsh as if age is ridiculously easy to quantify by looking, parents of some kid who got trashed, walked into traffic and HAVE to blame someone else so go on campaigns against whatever they decided was at fault.

Its one more in a long list of daft things people are doing to negate common sense and make the world just a bit more inconvenient, stupid and stressful.
 
I have a feeling you have to be over 18 to be in a gambling establishment, whether you're actually gambling or not.

Fairly certain this is the case as well, that's why you always see signs saying you have to be over 18 to enter areas where there are fruit machines etc (e.g. on ferries or in service stations).
 
Considering challenge 25 is bs rather than everyone just cave in, because someone, somewhere will get done for serving someone they thought looked over 25 and it will become challenge 30, then it will become challenge 30 for cigarrettes, then for buying FHM and porn and anything scissors, and a cutlery set, etc, etc.

if no one bothered to carry ID on them, or at least refused to show it in shops and people stopped buying alcohol for like an entire 3 days, Tesco/Sainsburys/Asda/etc revenues would drop so fast as would tax into the government, that both would immediately jump back to common sense, if they look under 18, and no ridiculous losing a licence just because one teenager looks way older than they are.


Anyway, most of the world realised simply parenting lessons like, make something illegal or "naughty" and your kids immediately want it just to see what it is they are missing. America/UK/places that tend to have stupid high drinking ages and daft laws tend to have the most problem drinkers. Those places that make it just another part of life, it never becomes that symbol of being a badass and wanting to get drunk when you're 15, because every can, and has. Let 15 year olds have a couple beers, and at 20 they won't be binge drinkers, make it difficult to get alcohol at 15, they'll do it far less frequently and go WAY over the top when they get their hands on it, and you've created a binge drinking, blacking out, badly behaving idiot.

If people just refused to go along with stupid stuff, the stupid stuff would disappear.

^^ This +1000000000000000
 
I (23 at the time) was in tesco with a mate of mine (36), and another mate (19) and they ID'd us. I had ID, the 19 year old had ID but the 36 year old didn't and they wouldn't serve us; it was ridiculous. the 36 year old could have been the youngest's dad for all they knew!

B@
 
It is silly, i was once IDed because the girl infront of me was buying alcohol. I'd never met her in my life, I guess the cashier thought we were together. I pointed out the error of his ways once it was my turn to pay.
 
I can entirely confirm that I have seen someone in a Co-Op be refused service due to being with children. No one can prove they were his at that time but it's getting a bit gistappo nowadays..

If it's in a basket of shopping, no problem, if it's bought on it's own then it's suspect.
 
I was in a betting shop with my grandad a few years back and was over 18. Just being in the shop the guy IDed me.....what is that logic?

Was a bit annoying as I was literally stood watching something on the screen waiting on him.

I got IDed for lottery too last week at 24!

Terms of our license decrees no under 18s on premises, PERIOD. Some people still don't get it when we ask them to leave because they've brought kids or indeed someone potentially under-age in. Doesn't matter they're not betting we can't have them in.
 
Sorry, but NO :mad:
That's not at all what they are saying| As mentioned previous they are only protecting themselves, albeit little extreme. Give the penalties they COULD face they are simply paranoid.
SO IF THATS DAMN WRONG THEN I AM SORRY!!!
It's quite likely they are scared stiff given what legislation says and how it could be interpreted. If you gave me verbals when I checked your age I'd just ask you to leave, simply. I wouldn't care if you had relevant ID I'm not prepared to put up with it.

and breathe........

I must not have explained the story correctly.

I have not got a problem with being ID'd.

I go to the kiosk with a bottle of blossom Hill and a pack of gum. I get asked for my ID which I present and it gets handed back to me.

I am told I cannot be served the wine. I ask "why not?" to which I am told it's because my cousin is with me.

Firstly this is taking the **** out of me because they know full well they are not going to serve me before they even ask for my ID.

I ask "what do you mean?"

"We don't know that you're not going to give him any"

At this point I got very angry and didn't give two ***** about not getting served the wine.

I cannot see how that is an appropriate thing to say. Of course the young lad behind the till obviously didn't realise what he was saying and probably didn't mean to come across like that.

I'm sure a lot of other people would have reacted the same way.

I've worked in front line customer services and had my share of F-bombs thrown at me through no fault of my own and as I said in my first post I don't get angry very often and almost never at people trying to do their job.
 
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My mrs got done a few years ago by the police who had sent in some 17.5 year old dolled up to the 9's with a few 24 year olds. the 17.5 year old purchased booze and my mrs served them


She was suspended for 3 weeks pending investagation, she received a 250 quid fine iirc and the end result was they should have sacked her, but gave her a final writen warning and took her of the tills for good.

This was Morrison btw who operate a under 25 policy.
 
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I must not have explained the story correctly.

I have not got a problem with being ID'd.

I go to the kiosk with a bottle of blossom Hill and a pack of gum. I get asked for my ID which I present and it gets handed back to me.

I am told I cannot be served the wine. I ask "why not?" to which I am told it's because my cousin is with me.

Firstly this is taking the **** out of me because they know full well they are not going to serve me before they even ask for my ID.

I ask "what do you mean?"

"We don't know that you're not going to give him any"

At this point I got very angry and didn't give two ***** about not getting served the wine.

I cannot see how that is an appropriate thing to say. Of course the young lad behind the till obviously didn't realise what he was saying and probably didn't mean to come across like that.

I'm sure a lot of other people would have reacted the same way.

I've worked in front line customer services and had my share of F-bombs thrown at me through no fault of my own and as I said in my first post I don't get angry very often and almost never at people trying to do their job.

So why did you direct your anger at the lad? Why didn't you direct the anger at everyone else involved, who has ended up making him a paranoid, nervous wreck, fearing for his job?
 
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