Bye Bye BMW...

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Well after just under 2 years of owning it my BMW 335D M Sport Saloon has gone as of today. It was a great car to own, being pretty quick, good to drive and reasonably comfortable but with my 2 girls getting bigger it was starting to prove a little small in the back for longer journeys.

Its been an arduous task testing everything I could think of which feel into my price bracket and meet the requirements stipulated by work for my car allowance as my wife will attest too...

So what have we tried? In no particular order

Audi A5 Sportback 3.0 TDI Quatro S-Line S-Tronic
Really liked this to drive and was plenty big enough, with a decent boot and being only a 4 seater had tons of room in the back. The gearbox was great and well suited to the 3.0 TDI engine, with seamless shifts and Quattro gave it a very sure-footed drive even in bloody awful conditions like those when I tested it. Not slow by any means but definitely didn’t fall into the performance same brackets as the 335D.

Issues I found with it were the specs of the available cars, they are all over the place, with some cars having had the majority of the options list dropped on them to other missing silly things like Bluetooth and satnav. The pricing is also massively variable and doesn’t always reflect the spec of the cars. Had a very bad experience with my local dealer when I’d arranged a test drive which also put me off somewhat, even after trying another dealer it left a bad taste…

BMW 5 F10 Series 530D/535D
Didn’t even drive it, dealers are useless, having tried 3 or 4 locally and my experience since owning the 335D just reinforced my previous thoughts based on my 330D ownership back in 2003-2004. To be honest the styling even on the M Sport has gone very very safe, with it just looking dull. Interior is nice but unless the car has the full electric seats I just can’t get comfortable or into a position where I can see clearly round the B pillar. My wife has also vowed never to own another so that didn’t help matters.

Mercedes E Class Saloon/Coupe
We had a good experience with the local Merc dealer, where they were very helpful and willing to let us try dropping car seats into the demos etc and drove the E350 CDI version of both the saloon and coupe. To drive they were both pretty decent, good gearbox which was well matched to the engine and very smooth. Interior felt a bit hit and miss quality wise, with some of the plastics feeling like they’d not be out of place being used for the kids seats in schools.

The exterior of the saloon, is great until you get to the rear quarter and then its just rubbish and it looks under wheeled (if that makes sense), so we discounted that. Space in the coupe was decent, not as good as the A5, and it looked better than the saloon, but as a package we just didn’t like it that much.

Jaguar XF
Jaguar HO emailed me at the start of this year offering me a drive in the XJ, which they had to twist my arm soooo hard to get me agree to you wouldn’t believe ;) Turned up at our local dealer and they basically gave us the keys, to a fully spec’d 3.0 DS PL showed us the basics and said come back before we close tonight (we arrived at 10.30…)

We ended up going back mid afternoon, as we had to take one of my girls to a party and got talking to the sales person. Explained to him that 52K was a bit out of our price range at the moment, regardless of how much we loved the car, so we got talking about the XF.

We’ve liked the XF from launch and have driven it on a number of occasions but the prices have stayed pretty strong for the 3.0 D or DS with a decent spec so hadn’t really been looking at them that closely for a while. We knew we loved the interior and exterior design and how it drove but they let us drive a car anyway which confirmed which re-enforced what we previously had thought but we decided to go back and test the A5 again just to “make sure”. At that stage we concluded that the XF just was the “right” car for us, if we could find one in the right colour combination and the right spec.

So we sat down with sales guy at the local dealer and went through a few options and the colours etc we’d want on the car and the monthly figure we needed to hit and basically left him to it. He called back at the start of the next week with a car he had in group stock which was pretty close to the spec we wanted so I asked him to run some numbers, but they didn’t get into the right ball park. So he promised to keep looking and come back to me if something came up.

In the meantime we went to a couple of other dealers, all of which treated us in a similar manor, but not as good as the local one, and looked at a few options they had but never got into the right ballpark number wise or just not quite right spec wise. We continued to trawl the jaguar used car site and autotrader and each time we found something which looked right it had been sold or the dealer came back with stupid offers on the BMW making it not viable.

During this time the local dealer phoned us a few times with some options, but never ones which were right, either being not quite the right spec or wrong colour combos, until that is last Thursday…

He managed to find us an ex-Jaguar management car which was the right colour combination and had the perfect spec on it. He gave us a very strong price on the BMW and the monthly number was under budget…

So today we picked up a Jaguar XF 3.0 D S Premium Luxury in Ultimate Black, with Warm Charcoal and Piano Black interior, with the Bowers and Wilkins Stereo, parking pack, blind spot monitors, sports interior pack and aero pack and to say I’m a little bit chuffed would be a HUGEEEEE understatement.

I’ll post some pictures up tomorrow as by the time I got home with it it was dark but on the short journey we’ve had in it so far it feels so much nicer than the BMW and on par if not a little quicker. The Jaguar dealers have grasped the term Customer Service and really taken it to heart, unlike some of the other so called premium brands and I've got nothing but good things to say about the ones near me.
 
I'm sorry but that has to be the most boring colour combination you could possibly think of. :(

We're more than happy with that combination thanks, its what we wanted and having 2 young kids other colours aren't that practical and besides we looked at Stratus Grey with Ivory but we didn't feel "old enough", as wife so succinctly put it, for that and the barley interior was bloody awful. I was lent a Ultimate Black with Barley and it just looks wrong and got dirty in a matter of days.
 
I would have picked the jaguar to. My boss has an XF, I think they are wonderful. What's the stereo like? :D

From the limited time I've had to play with it and on default settings bloody brilliant, the quality is superb and I'm sure with some time over the next few days to get it setup right it can only get better.
 
[TW]Fox;18588202 said:
Just think its a shame thats all, the XF is a beautiful car with a beautiful interior and the aeropack looks great, but from anything more than a few feet away you probably wont be able to see the aeropack because the black paint ends up hiding most of the lines :( Stratus Grey with Aerepack would have looked fantastic.

Odd that you didnt even drive the F10, how did you manage to find 4 dealers who wouldnt let you drive one?

It wasn't finding a dealer who'd let me drive one it was the combination of dealer arrogance, crap customer service, not thinking much of the exterior design and not getting a decent seating position. No doubt it would have driven well but we will never own a BMW again due to the way we have been treated.
 
I do like the XF, but is the rear seat space so much better than the 335 that it was worth the expense?

Yes in the back there are multiple inches of legroom more and the width is significantly better. With 2 booster seats a person can sit in the middle where you couldn't fit somebody in the BMW without shoving the booster right to the door and the person wasn't comfortable at all.
 
Wow I step away from the thread for a few hours and all hell breaks loose...

Sorry for the delay in getting pictures up but I had to be in south London at stupid o'clock. Now on my way back home got a couple of things to sort but will take and post some pics later.
 
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So finally got some pics taken, they ain't great but will do some more over the next few days when I can get it off the drive and some space around it...












 
Yep thats a leather covered dash :)

Need to get a better picture of the front end which I'll do tomorrow as you can seen the extended bumper and the chrome strip which runs through it.
 
[TW]Fox;18592733 said:
Other 'awesomeness' about the XF:

When you put the key in the ignition, the covers over the airvents automatically raise themselves.

There is no key to put in the ignition...it full keyless entry/go on the Premium Luxury or Portfolio. They open when you fire up the ignition or turn the AC, the gear selector rises as well when you start the car.



Thats it before i pushed the start button, which pulses :)
 
Love it. Stunning looking car and smart interior! :)

Although this I do like the look of... ;)

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Thats ivory with oyster and its not bad, but its what my wife said we weren't old enough for and she's right it does feel like an older persons interior compared to the black, or at least in my opinion which is why we bought the car we did.
 
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The wheels controls for volume aren't clicky buttons but a up and down push switch that feels much nicer. Does the Diesel S get the Alcantara Roof and pillar trim?

The portfolio gets it in all engine combos, called the suedecloth headlining, comes in dove like mine or a few other colours with jet being a £500 option.
 
S is far right past drive position and gives a nice resistance as you rotate to the sport mode. S gives constant control on the manual gears with paddles behind the steering wheel, in Drive it will change as requested however revert to auto after a period of no changes, I think sport does that aswell after a longer period. I think dynamic mode then adds more resistance to changing for you unless you get really silly.
S is a push down and rotate to enter, D & S can be manually overridden using the paddles and will drop back to full auto after a while or if you hold the upshift paddle. Dynamic mode can be selected in D or S and sharpens throttle response and shift speeds and with cars with the Dynamic Pack also stiffens the suspension. In S with Dynamic mode if you use the paddles you are in full manual and the car will bounce off the limiter and only down shift to stop the engine stalling.
 
Hmm, screen is quite a step down compared to the F10 iDrive. And touch screen too? That will kill me when it comes to fingerprints :(

Thing is thou it does work very well and is pretty responsive, giving good access to all the options and phone etc. Nav isn't the greatest but is a step up from the older idrive in the 335D and have decent maps and full 7 digit input. The Bowers & Wilkins stereo combined with DAB and the iPod/USB is in a different world to the BMW and better then the B&O system in the A5 I tried.
 
Stunning.
It's a realy shame you didn't get to drive the F10 535d as it's a truly fantastic machine.

I need to investigate the XF as I'm intrigued as to how different it is to the F10.

It wasn't case of not getting to drive the f10 as not wanting to drive the F10...I have no doubt it would have driven nicely but the factors I discussed earlier ruled it out totally.
 
Nice car and I prefer black leather to cream leather also. Sure it gets a little toasty in the summer, but cream leather + new jeans can leave the leather looking a pale shade of blue!

I've always thought of Jags as a bit of an old mans car, but these newer ones look far more modern and up to date also.

That's why I have heated and cooled seats :). I'm 37 so not sure an old man yet...
 
To be far the F10, A5/7, XF and E Class all had very good interiors on the scale of things. The F10 is well built, has some nice design to it but just isn't "special", the E Class is the "worst" (relatively) of them all due to the odd material choices, the A5 and A7 are very Germanic in their feel and design while the XF just felt like something very special which somebody had really thought long and hard about to differentiate it from the Germany mob. The only bit in the XF interior which feels even slightly lower rent is the little joystick which controls the mirror position and its not like you come into contact with it very often...
 
[TW]Fox;18595203 said:
The E Class (and C Class) interiors are just plain bizarre. I really dont understand the direction they have gone in at all.

I agree, the bit that always stands out for me is the centre arm rest which just seems like they had an old chair lying round in the design office which they hack the arms off of and glued in and went that'll do...
 
Thanks to everybody for the comments, I know some of my decisions have split opinions somewhat, but colour choice is very personal and its what I wanted so ner ner de ner ner ;)

To be honest I've spent the last 2-3 months looking and looking again at every car I could think of which fitted my requirements. I've driven my wife nuts by trawling every car site you can imagine night after night and dragging her and the kids to various car dealers around my area.

What I tried to purvey in opening post was that this was not a decision that we took lightly at all, its not an insignificant amount of money I've just thrown at a car here, but every time we looked at something it always came down to "How does it compare to the XF and how does the dealer experience compare to Jaguar". The car which came closest was the A5 Sportback, which probably surprises people, but as a package it just wasn't the XF and the dealers were not in the same league.

I'm thrilled with what I've bought, I've loved the XF since it was launched and the car the dealer found just fits perfectly what we wanted. I'll try to take some night time pictures of the interior over the weekend as well just to show the ambient lighting features it has etc.

In the mean time if anybody has any more comments or questions I'll do my best to answer...
 
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