can any tft rival a crt?

Rofflay

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well i got the non Z version of the benq and it arrived monday tho ive only really got to testing it properly today.

firstly its massive, 0 dead pixels and zero blackouts.

i love almost everything about it except i have came from a 19" mitsubishi diamondpro CRT which currently suffers from blackouts ranging from 5 minutes to 6 hours!!!
yes thats right i wanted to game one day at 6pm and i only got the image to stay on screen at midnight lol.

im noticing blur on this screen tho i didnt think i was fussy but i guess the crt was too pro :P

neways its only noticeable when turning left or right. ive played wow and cod2 for testing and it clearly blurs the moving image and i find it quite annoying.also i thought the colours out of the box was pretty terrible far too bright for my liking and not vivid with brightness compared to the crt it took ages adjusting gamma in the nvidia control panel and well blacks and darker colours just dont seem right.its kind of black but no where near my crt which i fully expected.

i dont know if its the drink from last night but i had an awful headache after the testing as well and i just cant decide if i should go back to my crt or buy a different tft.

if i was to go for a smaller tft i think i can live with a 19" 22" 24" is actually a little overkill for me tho damm awesome at the same time.

so what do i do? what is the fastest tft u can get right now and does it suffer from any kind of blur?

and is it a 8bit panel or 6bit tn? i dont know how noticeable this is going to be i have never used a 6bit but im pretty fussy when paying good money and know good image quality.


so i guess i would need

2ms or lower(or whatever u need to have 0 ghosting or motion blur)
8bit panel
widescreen
good contrast ratio(black blacks and white whites)
 
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you aint gonna get that, closest you will get is a samsung 226BW.

Setting is terrible on all monitors out of the box, you wont overcome it in the control panel you will need to drop the contrast and brightness settings on the monitor, maybe the colour temp settings too. A CRT owner can hardly complain about this though, geometry config on a CRT can take hours to set up perfectly.
 
You'll always get a little bit of blurring on an LCD, certainly until the 120 Hz tech arrives. Same thing with black depth, until we get consumer PC monitors with LED backlighting (or something similar) rather than CCFL, you won't ever get anything like real black on an LCD. It's especially noticeable how poor the black depth is once you try gaming in a dark room.

If it's the FP241WZ you have then I think it's an 8 bit S-PVA panel.

As for the headache, TFTs are very bright compared to CRTs and it takes a good few weeks to adjust. For the first few weeks turn the brightness down until it looks comfortable. The colours should be fixable by calibrating it.
 
PVA/TN tfts are bright by default yes, IPS panels however are the closest you will get to a CRT - so much so that people who have switched in the past will not look at a CRT again.

People keep forget the current 3 LCD technologies for pc screens, this is why people go out and buy fast and cheap TN/PVA panels then complain about viewing angles and lack of colour accuracy and how "TFTs" do not compare to a good CRT...
 
as far as panels go tn are rubbish for viewing angles, but they have a fast response time, i think ips panels are the best but theyre expensive, a good compromise is a pmva screen good viewing angles, pretty decent response time and pretty well priced, and as far as watching movies theyre very good
 
I darent get involved :p






or do i...! No tft is as good as a CRT yet for responsiveness on first person shooters full stop. However, some of the 22" (sammy / lg) ones are getting considerably closer and probably good enough for most gamers. Theres also a 4:3 19" viewsonic thats quite highly rated too for games as a tft. My girlfriend insisted on putting wow on my pc last night and there was definitely zero ghosting on my 226bw sammy on that but you wouldnt expect any on a game that slow!!.

I did do a review that tried to directly compare my new monitor with my old 21" CRT and i tried to do it as neutrally as possible explaining its weaknesses also. I've included the url below incase its of any interest to you

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17753134
 
yea i packed up the benq and am returning it im not happy at all tbh plugged in my old crt again and my gosh she looks better than ever :/

im gonna stick with it and see if sed has arrived by christmas until then im not touching another tft :(
 
Have you tried an IPS panel because the BenQ is not IPS so quality will be mediocre compared to a CRT/IPS panel tft...


This is exactly what I mean by people buying fast TN panels and then hating them and discounting "all" tfts as bad compared to a CRT.
 
it was a 24" benq fp241w p-mva panel they say it was 8bit and apparantly better image quality than the s-ips dell? either way its crap im sorry but in darker scenes its terrible, i would be intersted in how mucb better s ips is and wht reviews rated the benq's iq higher :/

roll on 55" SED and crysis on 8800's :D
 
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Rofflay said:
it was a 24" benq fp241w p-mva panel they say it was 8bit and apparantly better image quality than the s-ips dell? either way its crap im sorry but in darker scenes its terrible, i would be intersted in how mucb better s ips is and wht reviews rated the benq's iq higher :/

roll on 55" SED and crysis on 8800's :D
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No MVA panel is better than an IPS panel and an 8bit one at that too, whoever told you that requires a slap. As stated by many people many time son this forum and as state don many reviews on review sites, the order of closeness to a CRT is TN at the lowest, MVA in the middle and IPS at the top. Regarding MVA and TN it really depends on who makes the panel itself but regardless of they they just cannot touch an IPS panel in any area whatsoever, well they are cheaper but that's a mute point.

IPS is the way to go for now.
 
This is not an issue at all with most modern TFTs especially any IPS panel. I thought everyone was aware of this by now considering the number of posts on this section of the forum praising the NEC/DELL IPS screens for performance and quality alone!


To keep it short though, your answer is that there is no ghosting, it's not too bright, in fact the brightess resembles a CRT in almost every way (barring the size of the screen of course) and colour reproduction is excellent too.
 
Against the Dell 2007WFP or the E207 even though they are both 20" ? there is a significant difference between the two as the E207 is an inferior TN panel and it is impossible for a MVA panel to beat a IPS panel.
 
against the 2407wfp. i know how bad tn-films panels are - i have the 22" dell. i also know how good an s-ips panel can be - i have a 40" 1080p sony which is head and shoulders above any monitor ive seen. however, the same basic drawbacks are still present - most noticable the poor black performance:)
 
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I have not used a 2407 but regarding black detail, the NEC and Dell ips I have used (and own the dell) and black detail on the Dell is very good, also have the E207 and 22" screens too. On the Dell 2007 You can easily make out details in dark areas of games like Doom3 and HL2 but still make out a blackness as you'd expect due to an absolute minimal amount of backlight bleeding wheres mva/TN panels have a lot more backlight bleed not just from the corners but the whole screen itself making blacks look more lighter.
 
While there may not be what you would call 'ghosting' on the 2007WFP, there is a loss of focus or motion blur type effect on fast moving objects. It's pretty subtle though and wouldn't bother most people, and most of what I've read suggests there would be more blur on PVA.

I personaly find the black depth no better than any other LCD I've owned (including another 32" IPS, two 19" TNs and a 17" and 15" PVA). Blacks look good in daylight, but as soon as you play a dark game at night with the lights out, it's immediately obvious that you're looking at a thin film with a bright light behind it. I wouldn't say near-black detail was anything special either, just typical LCD.

I agree about the CRT like picture on the 2007WFP though, it's not overwhelming and it's easy to look at for long periods. Having said that though that's partly just me getting used to it, because I can remember for the first few weeks finding the picture too bright and having to turn the brightness down.

Back OT though, I believe the non-Z version of the Benq is PVA and the Z version is actually MVA Rofflay from what I've just read elsewhere. I think you should try to get used to the screen for a few days since I'm not convinced you would find any other LCD dramatically better. I certainly don't think 2ms TN is the way to go, and AFAIK no TN is 8 bit.
 
yea well i actually sent it back this morning and am back on my old crt. i could have lived with the blurring but not crap blacks and blur and well i other darkers coulrs it just doesnt seem able to do well.

im actually going to use this screen until christmas and see whats happening in the market right now i dont think any tft is suitable for me sadly.

im hoping SED makes an appearance soon its really gonna be the only thing i can see ditching this crt.

the quality now is better than ever video is just jawdropping. honestly for the first few hours it felt like a new purchase with the super sexy blacks.

if they can keep the prices decent for the 55" i may be tempted just once in my lifetime to spend around 2k on a screen and have it as a tv/monitor.

its a shame really :/

im just wondering also the new samsung bordeux range with the imba contrast ratio's are they capable of displaying black or can just no lcd's display the colour?

if i got colours at crt quality i can live with slight blur its almost like a added visual effect like in movies or some newer games like crysis if u get it into your head :)
 
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Can't believe the LCD V CRT debate is still going on...

Surely LCDs made an undeniable usurpation sometime ago, even on cheaper models.
 
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