can i get christened at 23?

I think the difference between a scientific paper and sharing spiritual knowledge is that, spirituality is not something you can look at, listen to, touch or taste. You have to feel it inside you, science is the understanding of the world around us spirituality is the understanding of the world within us.

It is like telling someone just how much you love your parents and then expecting that person to as well.

Ok yeah, I agree re: the significance of an event such as marriage, people attach meaning to the event and thus when it occurs know what specifically it is supposed to mean. On this one point i don't think I will ever truly comprehend the significance placed on these events though, as i said i am a fairly objective person and simply see them for what they are.

When you say sharing spiritual knowledge however (hence that is all I have quoted) I'm not so sure religious texts ever do this, not really. They offer 'teachings' citing specific examples that the reader can relate to, offering truths without any proof other than "This is the truth because I tell you it is." This is not passing on "spirituality", it is simply a work of fiction (in its truest sense).

I believe spirituality comes entirely from ones own psyche. It is a consequence of our complex mixture of higher and lower brain functions and thus self awareness that means we experience compulsions we can't ever truly explain but really want to :) Imagine an AI that has automated functions it has no true awareness about. It runs a program every 30 seconds but has no idea why it does it. It can understand that "it" is itself and really wonders WHY it runs its program, so it sets about finding out why, trying to put meaning into the action, but (presuming no prior knowledge or access to knowledge) it can't explain it, therefore the most logical initial reaction is that as "it" is not doing it, someone else must be.. and so the development of the concept of "God" begins.

If somebody sits down with you and expresses their own thoughts and feelings towards a subject, you will take in their information and process it on your own terms, its meaning to you may not be the same as it was to them. The same can be said of the bible and indeed specific rituals such as the christening event. For me its somebody being splashed, for the person being splashed it means they are now officially a member of a church and perhaps more.

I honestly believe science will eventually explain even our own spirituality to a certain extent, indeed there is a government funded project around at the moment to do just that (I kid you not.) For some this is an unthinkable and scary prospect as it would prove that we truly are just the sum of our parts. I personally find it comforting that this is probably the case. I really dont like the thought that I was created by somebody.. in their own image. I mean if I was, why did that happen? What was the point? Simply to exist and be as good a person as possible in order to spend eternity in Heaven? Does that then mean my own existence has no real meaning other than to please something else?

From my own spiritual (i.e. my own internal thought processes) point of view, the purpose of life is simply to exist. The act of existing is my source of enjoyment, my existence will eventually come to an end, in between that time I will have the chance to enjoy myself, maybe have a miserable time and perhaps even make a lasting legacy so people remember my existence.

I do not find this depressing, I find it uplifting. Its a very simple prospect, there is no meaning to life other than that which you give to it. This is empowering, and comforting in its simplicity.

Now what DOES scare me is if the Bible IS right, and I have to worship God and follow specific rules in order to get into this eternel Heaven or I will burn for eternity in Hell or even worse will float around in between in purgatory :\

Religion offers nothing to me other than unsubstantiated promises of either eternal bliss or eternal torture. My logic tells me that in fact its all most probably a concoction of the human psyche, thus i choose to believe in my own thoughts, whatever they may be.
 
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I dunno guys. This is a public forum. If you want to have a discussion about religion without criticism I suggest you go and find a place of worship where everyone nods and smiles at each other while drinking weak tea and eating soft, soggy biscuits...

Jesus, who most of us lot would like to think we're following, spent a lot of time criticising the main organised religion of his day. I'm sure he'd still have plenty to criticise now and would agree with many of the points the Atheists raise. Don't like the direction the thread's going in? How about a constructive post to pull it back on topic rather than complaining where other people have taken it?

The issue of Baptism itself is a contentious one, even within Christianity. Do you go full immersion? Should you get baptised as an infant or as a believing adult? Should you be allowed communion before your baptism? A lot of churches are really fussy about it. Several won't allow you a position of authority unless you've been baptised in their denomination. Billy Graham's been baptised loads of times because churches wouldn't let him preach unless their denomination had baptised him.

Anyone seen the OP recently?
 
Ok, here's one for you...

God is supposedly Omniscient and Omnipotent, amirite so far?

How many people actually stop to think that the two are, in fact, mutually exclusive? Think about it. If God is all-knowing, then he knows exactly what he's going to be doing in the future. Whereas, if he is all-powerful, he can do anything he likes whenever he likes. But if he knows exactly what he's going to do through history...?

God cannot be God within our concept of time and space, so that's irrelevant.
 
Why does the op have to prove anything to anyone! I love how people come on here making stupid statements as if to question a decision the OP has already clearly come to or to try and make someone with beliefs look foolish.

Stephen Hawking believes in God, since when did having a religious belief necessarily blind you from the ideas and facts of science!
 
Why does the op have to prove anything to anyone! I love how people come on here making stupid statements as if to question a decision the OP has already clearly come to or to try and make someone with beliefs look foolish.

Stephen Hawking believes in God, since when did having a religious belief necessarily blind you from the ideas and facts of science!

Imo the best scientists are the ones who use science as a way of untangling the intricacies(sp?) of God's creation.
 
Stephen Hawking believes in God

Woah! Steady on. Hawking doesn't believe in the kind of God most Christians do. I think he's gone on record saying that his work doesn't disprove God but that's a very different kettle of fish.

And anyway, what's Stephen Hawking believing in God or not got to do with christening?

Edit: the comment about the OP was actually because I was wondering if he'd found somewhere to get baptised. I'd encourage him to go for it.
 
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I think the problem is that my standpoint is very different and possibly unique to the other spiritual people on this board. I used to be agnostic before I started really investigating Theology and I guess when it comes to the Christian depiction of God I am almost verging on Atheist. (That is not to say I write of Christianity as a whole)

We are probably not as far away from each other as you may think, I too fear the idea we were made in the image of our creator, and that we are judged and will go to heaven or hell. To me that sounds like a crude story and has no real logic behind it but to teach you to be good.

I would never rule out that spirituality will one day be proven as states of mind that can be scientifically proven and artificially reproduced. But I have quantifiably enhanced my life experience by learning where and how to look at the world to feel a deep connection with it. Even if the science was proven I would obviously not stop practicing or throw this knowledge away, it's value would not be diminished at any level.
 
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Woah! Steady on. Hawking doesn't believe in the kind of God most Christians do

You're misquoting Mr. Hawking a bit there...

I never said he believed in God along the same lines as the Christian faith. I also know that Hawkings doesn’t particularly like the word god to be used for what he believes in.

My point was not about Mr Hawkings personal religious believes, just merely to come back to some comments about science and religion being exclusive from one another. Like it seems you are often expected to choose between the two, while this is not always necessary.

Just because you have religious believes does not mean you ignore the facts of science. I hope you understand the point.
 
Like it seems you are often expected to choose between the two, while this is not always necessary.

Just because you have religious believes does not mean you ignore the facts of science. I hope you understand the point.

Yeah, I agree. Accepting scientific observations does, however, make maintaining certain religious perspectives untenable.
 
Accepting scientific observations does, however, make maintaining certain religious perspectives untenable.

Very true. I wouldnt say I was religious probably for that very reason, I am however open to the idea that there is something, of which I am unable to explain. I do not believe in a large white man with a beard floating in the clouds however!
 
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