Can i use a OEM vista32 key to install OEM Vista64?

Slam62 · 13 May 2007 at 20:30

burnsy2023 said:
You're not licensed even if the key does work. Th best idea is to carefully think about the version you want before you buy so you don't need to change.

Burnsy

OMG

your nemesis

XysteR · 13 May 2007 at 20:36

Anyways, i'll ring microsoft tomorrow. I'm 100% sure i will have no problems with them. If they are the reputable, caring company that they are supposed to be then i'm poo-proof!

gareth170 · 13 May 2007 at 20:43

but your still breaking your license agreemeant even if they activate it....

XysteR · 13 May 2007 at 21:01

gareth170 said:
but your still breaking your license agreemeant even if they activate it....

lol even if they activate what? If your talking about my copy of Vista32 then its already activated? only i'm now running a Vista64 install on the key that came with my vista32 CD (which will soon become a pleasant looking thing to put my mug on). Lets just leave it eh? I'll ring them tomorrow, I'm sure everything will be fine.

Burnsy2023 · 13 May 2007 at 21:07

XysteR said:
I'll ring them tomorrow, I'm sure everything will be fine.

MS should say that you're not licensed and that you need to reinstall the 32bit version. There, I saved you the cost of a call

Burnsy

XysteR · 13 May 2007 at 21:39

Ok i'll simply put the seals back on the top & bottom, send my lass into the shop, get her to say "Oh the clever computer technician who is making my custom computer has told me i need the 64 bit version of this software, Aint i thick? See its cos i'm blonde, can i swap it for the 64 bit thingy?" .......She's very pretty and a delight to a mans eye, he'll do the bizz and i'll be Vista64 licenced!

Well its either this or try to resolve it with MS? lol

but in all honesty i'm not that bothered, its now working brilliantly so who cares? I'm happy i made a vista perchace, MS is happy they got my cash (gates probably just spent my £1XX on 4 new special rich-man toilet rolls. Everyones a winner, lovely jubley. and as they say in france: un tarte de frais se voi plait lol

gareth170 · 13 May 2007 at 21:39

burnsy2023 said:
MS should say that you're not licensed and that you need to reinstall the 32bit version. There, I saved you the cost of a call

Burnsy

burnsy, no point trying to tell them. they won't listen or don't wanna listen...

XysteR · 14 May 2007 at 13:37

Sorted! I explained my situation to the guy at the shop and he exchanged my copy of Vista32 for a copy of Vista64 and said to just use the key changer rather than reinstall the whole system with the new key.

My old Vista32 goes back to the supplier where the key will be regenerated for resale. The box, cd, book all goes into the shredder as it cannot be resold.

So after some diplomatic reasoning its not all Black & White afterall. If you stand on your own 2 feet and put your point forward everything (license wise) written on the box goes out of the window.

I'm Vista 64 licensed!

Burnsy2023 · 14 May 2007 at 14:20

XysteR said:
My old Vista32 goes back to the supplier where the key will be regenerated for resale. The box, cd, book all goes into the shredder as it cannot be resold.

I'm a bit sceptical about this, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, the key won't be recycled as the COA would have had to be destroyed.

XysteR said:
So after some diplomatic reasoning its not all Black & White afterall. If you stand on your own 2 feet and put your point forward everything (license wise) written on the box goes out of the window.

TBH, you had no leg to stand on, but you were lucky enough that the shop would do an exchange. I wouldn't be surprised if their supplier refused to give a refund, but thats not your problem now.

Burnsy

XysteR · 14 May 2007 at 16:45

In all honesty i took what he said about my old copy with a pinch of salt. Still tho he was a decent geezer, seemed to know the bizz. But then again when it comes to selling stuff...... you know the drill.

Still though, he took my position with Vista onboard and acted on it to make his customer happy. Seems he succeeded. I'm happy

mrbios · 14 May 2007 at 18:14

Would it be illegal to use vista business edition from MVLS thats subscribed to my work at home? seeing as im a technician there and the MVLS is for work and i can do work from home would that class it as ok?

cant see why there would be anything wrong with it if its used for work, but im sure one of you will tell me otherwise

Burnsy2023 · 14 May 2007 at 18:58

mrbios said:
Would it be illegal to use vista business edition from MVLS thats subscribed to my work at home? seeing as im a technician there and the MVLS is for work and i can do work from home would that class it as ok?

cant see why there would be anything wrong with it if its used for work, but im sure one of you will tell me otherwise

Depends. It depends on which specific VLA your comapny has and whether you do commercial work on it and whether you've bought a license

Generally it's ok, but like I said, it depends.

Burnsy

csmager · 21 May 2007 at 17:02

Burnsy - do you reckon you could get a definitive answer to this from the guys you can contact that are slightly more involed in this.

Out of morbid curiosity, I emailed Microsoft OEM Support and asked this:

A theoretical question, if you will. If a system is pre-installed with Vista 32-bit, is the customer allowed to replace this with a 64-bit installation using a 64-bit disc?

I know the keys will work with both, but is the license valid for both?

To which I got the (semi-cryptic) reply:

Yes, you can upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit.

Thank you,
Microsoft OEM Internet Business Support
http://oem.microsoft.com

Burnsy2023 · 21 May 2007 at 17:08

I'll have a talk to MS when I'm at work tomorrow.

Burnsy

XysteR · 21 May 2007 at 17:44

I'm waiting.......

Philio · 21 May 2007 at 18:35

If you read into the Microsoft OEM System Builder License a bit more you'll find it's a bunch of crap anyway, and if you didn't buy your disk with some kind of hardware (despite all the retailers online and in shops selling it without the hardware) then your license is invalid anyway. Also whats nice is that the retailer you got your OEM from is supposed to provide you with support - Microsoft refused to help me on the phone unless I paid. I got the impression that there were a hell of a lot of ways that the OEM license could be invalidated from my phone call with them.

I have 1x32 bit OEM, 1x64 bit OEM - both keys are activated on 32 bit as the 64 bit was terrible, if both/either/neither or licensed I don't really care - I paid for both and they both work thats all that I care about. Microsoft should take whatever they have stuck out their arse over Vista licenses and focus more on how many millions of people have dodgy copies of XP, I paid them money which is a lot more than many others did!

csmager · 21 May 2007 at 18:43

Philio said:
If you read into the Microsoft OEM System Builder License a bit more you'll find it's a bunch of crap anyway, and if you didn't buy your disk with some kind of hardware (despite all the retailers online and in shops selling it without the hardware) then your license is invalid anyway. Also whats nice is that the retailer you got your OEM from is supposed to provide you with support - Microsoft refused to help me on the phone unless I paid. I got the impression that there were a hell of a lot of ways that the OEM license could be invalidated from my phone call with them.

This is incorrect.

By buying the OEM CD, it is sold to you under the System Builder license. You then install it on your PC, and it's then under the EULA as well.

YOU are the system builder, so you don't have to buy any hardware - the computer its tied to is the computer you install it on.

If you have any support queries, you contact the System Builder - which is, yes you've guessed it, YOU.

Philio · 21 May 2007 at 19:18

csmager said:
This is incorrect.

By buying the OEM CD, it is sold to you under the System Builder license. You then install it on your PC, and it's then under the EULA as well.

YOU are the system builder, so you don't have to buy any hardware - the computer its tied to is the computer you install it on.

If you have any support queries, you contact the System Builder - which is, yes you've guessed it, YOU.

Oh right, I was going on what I was told by one of the local shops there, they said they had to sell it with hardware and they had to provide support.

However the same kinda applies in this situation, if your not a registered 'Microsoft System Builder' your license isn't worth the paper it's printed on either - it is invalid

Burnsy2023 · 21 May 2007 at 19:22

Philio said:
Oh right, I was going on what I was told by one of the local shops there, they said they had to sell it with hardware and they had to provide support.

You havn't needed to buy peripheral hardware for well over a year now.

Philio said:
However the same kinda applies in this situation, if your not a registered 'Microsoft System Builder' your license isn't worth the paper it's printed on either - it is invalid

This isn't true, you don't need to be a registered partner to be a system builder.

Burnsy

Philio · 21 May 2007 at 19:34

burnsy2023 said:
This isn't true, you don't need to be a registered partner to be a system builder.

That is what MS told me on the phone, they then put me through to their Partner support or something to get more info, I hung up and looked online instead.