Can someone post or link to some Mantle benchmarks

[kitch9]

That tells people nothing Kitch and just gives out random bits of news. DX is going nowhere and Mantle will work alongside it. AMD are in consoles but that doesn't mean anything in terms of Mantle on PC, as consoles don't use Mantle.

I post about how we know nothing and you say that it tells you nothing?

Anyone who thinks AMD aren't ensuring that their cross development environment is as easy as possible by ensuring the best code compatibility possible between the consoles and pc is completely deluded.

 

[Gregster]

I post about how we know nothing and you say that it tells you nothing?

Anyone who thinks AMD aren't ensuring that their cross development environment is as easy as possible by ensuring the best code compatibility possible between the consoles and pc is completely deluded.

I am completely deluded then. AMD don't make games, they have their own developers that work alongside the game developers and implement their own optimizations. Nvidia do the same and this is how it is.

I do wish people would stop getting confused about it being an AMD GPU in the console, so AMD discrete GPU's will be uber fast because it will work for those the same. It doesn't work that way. The game developers still have to code for PC and although the language in the new consoles is similar to PC, it still requires work to get optimizations.

Nivida may be ahead in GPU research you would be mad to think the 780ti was not been setting on their shelves for ages.
However Amd provides better performance and price at every price point.
Still the 780ti is a very fast card but at a high premium. If you want performance though a 7990 murders it

Sadly, I cant agree with this. The 780 is massively under the price of the 290X and the OC 780 cards stomp all over the 290X in most games currently out. For sure, the 290 is great if you don't mind water cooling or adding your own custom cooler or playing with headphones on.

 

[Deceptor]

AMD are in the consoles.

I don't see why people are so hung up on this point, it means nothing for Mantle, it's just hardware Sony/Microsoft are using/utilising.

Developers making games for the consoles are working on AMD hardware and software by default.

Well you're half right, the next gen consoles are however not running AMD software. Xbox One is using DirectX (which is where the name originates from, "DirextX Box") and PS4 is using OpenGL (their own variant from what I've read).

AMD are looking to leverage their new found position by making it easy for cross development and optimisation across consoles or PC.

Somewhat yes, but it's not a huge deal. Besides, we end with what - more console ports that run/look the same? This is hardly good for the PC community.

This position has enabled them to challenge the dominance of DX which for years has been a pain in the ass and a bloated mess with a more streamlined API.

Be interesting to see if MS respond, personally I hope they do so we can have an arms-race with APIs which may mean things become a little messy in the short-term but the eventual outcome will be better API/APIs.

I have no doubt Mantle will be great, even if the first impressions aren't "amazing" which no doubt a lot of people will boo at but need to understand any gains in infancy means bigger/better overtime.

 

[Zeed]

DarrenM343
NV is master in one thing:

Milking its fan boys out of cash by releasing SAME **** 3 times in one year.

 

[Gregster]

DarrenM343
NV is master in one thing:

Milking its fan boys out of cash by releasing SAME **** 3 times in one year.

Agreed and good job AMD didn't do this with the 7970, the 7970 Ghz and the 280X , as no one would want the same card 3 times

 

[Orangey]

What's going on in this thread?

How about we just have 1 Mantle thread for actual info and 1 for slanging matches.

 

[Diagro]

Agreed and good job AMD didn't do this with the 7970, the 7970 Ghz and the 280X , as no one would want the same card 3 times

Not the same at all. Wasn't all within 12 months

 

[uksoldierboy]

I am completely deluded then. AMD don't make games, they have their own developers that work alongside the game developers and implement their own optimizations. Nvidia do the same and this is how it is.

I do wish people would stop getting confused about it being an AMD GPU in the console, so AMD discrete GPU's will be uber fast because it will work for those the same. It doesn't work that way. The game developers still have to code for PC and although the language in the new consoles is similar to PC, it still requires work to get optimizations.

::I completely agree Greg

I'm optimistic that Mantle will work and work well, but i'll reserve judgement until i'm actually playing using mantle and can see for myself.



Sadly, I cant agree with this. The 780 is massively under the price of the 290X and the OC 780 cards stomp all over the 290X in most games currently out. For sure, the 290 is great if you don't mind water cooling or adding your own custom cooler or playing with headphones on.

It's all swings and roundabouts, i don't agree that a 780 OC stomps all over the 290X though, especially when the 290X is overclocked too, imo the 290X is definitely faster than a 780 and on par from what i'm seeing with a 780Ti/Titan.

As for the noise and temps argument, it's BS.

 

[Gregster]

Not the same at all. Wasn't all within 12 months

When did Nvidia release the same card 3 times in one year then? Does it matter and tit for tat is childish. I was making light hearted banter but sure, go for it.

It's all swings and roundabouts, i don't agree that a 780 OC stomps all over the 290X though, especially when the 290X is overclocked too, imo the 290X is definitely faster than a 780 and on par from what i'm seeing with a 780Ti/Titan.

As for the noise and temps argument, it's BS.

Well maybe stomps is a little harsh but you must admit, a 780 OC will comfortably beat a 290X in most games and will be cooler and quieter unless you add a waterblock to the 290X or a custom cooler?

 

[uksoldierboy]

When did Nvidia release the same card 3 times in one year then? Does it matter and tit for tat is childish. I was making light hearted banter but sure, go for it.



Well maybe stomps is a little harsh but you must admit, a 780 OC will comfortably beat a 290X in most games and will be cooler and quieter unless you add a waterblock to the 290X or a custom cooler?

Negative bud, do you mean the 780Ti OC? I'm yet to see a 780Ti owner thrash my FPS posted in the BF4 benchmark thread, or see one comfortably beating any of my graphics scores in any of the 3dmark benchmarks, if they were, we wouldn't be having this conversation, i'd have a 780Ti in my system

Just my opinion though.

In regards to what i think is best overall, i'd say, if buying right now, get a 780Ti if you can afford it or, if you can't, wait until the custom cooled 290/290X are out.

While i think the whole Noise and heat thing when it comes to the 290X is complete BS, it's still hotter, (Max i've seen is 85C) and if you go over 65% fan it becomes loud, maybe it's the colder weather this time of year that's helped keep the temps down though, i don't know, but i'd be slightly worried if i was staying with the REF cooler come summertime.

Thankfully i'm not and plan to get the lot underwater in the new year.

 

[humbug]

The 290X is just about as quick as the 780TI stock for stock, Greg.

 

[Gregster]

The 290X is just about as quick as the 780TI stock for stock, Greg.

Not from what I have seen all over the internet.

Spoiler

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-ti-review-benchmarks,3663-4.html

 

[humbug]

lol... You just posted every bench you could find individually to create a massive input overkill thread.

TPU have the overall performance of those games averaged out in single slides.

its 7 and 8%, i said its just about as fast as the 780TI and it is.

 

[uksoldierboy]

Those benchmarks you put up Greg are a bit crap tbh bud, no offence though.

In regards to the arma 3 results, after reading it, it seems they were having issues with the 290X and the card throttling:
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The GK110-equipped 780 Ti is faster than AMD’s R9 290X. The magnitude of its victory depends on the environment you use it in. Our 290X from AMD maintains its clock rate really well in our 78-degree office, so the 780 Ti only beats it by 5%. The card we bought starts shedding frequency faster under the same conditions. GeForce GTX 780 Ti is 23% faster in that case. AMD claims that an upcoming driver will better-normalize absolute fan speeds between cards, which should facilitate more even cooling. Should that prove true, we may see these massive gaps disappear. As of this writing, however, our observations stand.
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I assume these are on older drivers too.

thankfully i have the latest drivers, and, my 290X doesn't throttle or get too hot.
I ran the same section, with absolutely everything at max 1920-1080P, AAx8, FXAA @ultra, all details on Ultra and view distance @3500.

I wouldn't be surprised if these settings are higher than what they use tbh.

My results: 2013-11-25 19:52:55 - arma3
Frames: 47813 - Time: 653422ms - Avg: 86.173 - Min: 37 - Max: 175