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Can The 4870 Handle Medieval 2: Total War?

Overslop said:
I don't mind waiting for ages, not remotely desperate to play the game. Would rather save it for when I can play it in its full glory. :)

Medieval 2 on the other hand is a game I do really want to play and I'm happy to play it on lower settings if needed. But I would ideally like to play it with lots of AA, Vsync etc. and have 50-60FPS without dips.

The guy who wrote "smooth as butter" described his experience of the game at 20FPS. For me, that's a frame rate far too low.
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Where did the guy post 20fps? :confused:
 
umm.. I don't know what problem you have with your 8800GTX but at 1680x1050 with 4xAA all others maxed my 2900XT never has the slightest hitch.

You'd be better off checking your drivers or game installation. The 8800GTX has plenty of power to run the game. It's pretty old nowadays and really not that demanding. Even my 7900GS could run it fine. The only card that struggled was my old 7600GT.
 
Overslop said:
I already replied to your post before you edited it, but I will respond to this one too.

I don't even own Crysis and don't intend to buy it until the hardware has caught up with it (I don't buy that nonsense about it just being a terribly coded game, heard it all before).

I used it as an example of a game that demands too much of a 8800GTX if you want to play at very high settings. It's one of the few games I know of that my system can't handle in such a way.
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I'm pretty sure crytek have hinted at it being badly coded themselves really. With their new Warhead coming out, they've said there will be good performance increases with it, apparently, I've heared that the FPS will be double that of crysis.

I can't remember where I read that though. But either way, it leads me to think that crytek think it's badly coded, so are 'abandoning' crysis '1' and putting all their remaining efforts into sorting the engine out for the release of warhead.

Oh yeah, and I've played medieval total way 2 on a 2900XT with AA (8 I think) and everything on max @ 1080p and it was running really smooth for me, I don't know the FPS exactly, but I know it was smooth enough, and I can notice low FPS pretty easily.
 
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kylew said:
I'm pretty sure crytek have hinted at it being badly coded themselves really. With their new Warhead coming out, they've said there will be good performance increases with it, apparently, I've heared that the FPS will be double that of crysis.

I can't remember where I read that though. But either way, it leads me to think that crytek think it's badly coded, so are 'abandoning' crysis '1' and putting all their remaining efforts into sorting the engine out for the release of warhead.

Oh yeah, and I've played medieval total way 2 on a 2900XT with AA (8 I think) and everything on max @ 1080p and it was running really smooth for me, I don't know the FPS exactly, but I know it was smooth enough, and I can notice low FPS pretty easily.
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Yeh i have also read this somewhere or another. It is badly coded :)
 
M2TW is still a somewhat demanding game, but this will not only depend on what graphical settings you are using, but also unit size and army composition. Also bear in mind that siege battles are notoriously laggy in this, compared to open field battles.

Maybe a few tests involving the same custom battle set-up on different rigs?
 
Erm are we talkin about the same game here, granted I only play 1680*1050 with all setting maxed but the game never drops below 30FPS, World in Conflict is a more demanding game and my 8800GTX always manages to play that smooth enough. As for a 4870 I doubt the temps would even increase so to speak, why not get 2 just to be sure :p
 
Darg said:
umm.. I don't know what problem you have with your 8800GTX but at 1680x1050 with 4xAA all others maxed my 2900XT never has the slightest hitch.

You'd be better off checking your drivers or game installation. The 8800GTX has plenty of power to run the game. It's pretty old nowadays and really not that demanding. Even my 7900GS could run it fine. The only card that struggled was my old 7600GT.
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Could be a driver issue...

I'm using the latest official ones, haven't tried any others for this game.

All other games run as expected compared to benchmarks from review sites.
 
kylew said:
I'm pretty sure crytek have hinted at it being badly coded themselves really. With their new Warhead coming out, they've said there will be good performance increases with it, apparently, I've heared that the FPS will be double that of crysis.

I can't remember where I read that though. But either way, it leads me to think that crytek think it's badly coded, so are 'abandoning' crysis '1' and putting all their remaining efforts into sorting the engine out for the release of warhead.

Oh yeah, and I've played medieval total way 2 on a 2900XT with AA (8 I think) and everything on max @ 1080p and it was running really smooth for me, I don't know the FPS exactly, but I know it was smooth enough, and I can notice low FPS pretty easily.
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If Crytek officially announced that then fair enough. Otherwise I maintain that it's just beyond current hardware to run at maximum settings.

Medieval 2 could well have been running at 20-30 FPS for you to find it running smooth. Many people say 30 FPS is perfectly fine for strategy games. Personally I do not.
 
willhub said:
Just thought, he said he had to disable AA, maybe he was trying to sue 16xQAA??
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I started with 16xQAA which made the game run at 10-20 FPS. Even at 2xAA the game was still not at acceptable levels though. Only with it completely disabled does it run at a solid 60FPS.
 
Green_Giant said:
M2TW is still a somewhat demanding game, but this will not only depend on what graphical settings you are using, but also unit size and army composition. Also bear in mind that siege battles are notoriously laggy in this, compared to open field battles.

Maybe a few tests involving the same custom battle set-up on different rigs?
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Notoriously laggy = very low FPS, which is what I'm getting at. :)

You can't avoid things like that in the game, they are a huge part of it.
 
Richdog said:
A 4870 is hardly going to struggle with a 2 year old game... even an 8800GT ran it fine.
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There are many old games it won't handle at extreme settings.

Flight Simulator X, World in Conflict, even Oblivion still won't be silky smooth at all times maxed out.
 
benchmark a game you do have (crysis?) and compare it to 4870 benchies off the many reviews

Overslop said:
There are many old games it won't handle at extreme settings.

Flight Simulator X, World in Conflict, even Oblivion still won't be silky smooth at all times maxed out.
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yup. your options are 4870 or 280 with(out) SLI :)..
 
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The game is also very CPU intensive... there are lots of CPU calculations (especially whenthere's hundreds of units on screen) going on and adding shadows etc can bring a machine running it to its knees regardeless of GPU.
 
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keyser said:
benchmark a game you do have (crysis?) and compare it to 4870 benchies off the many reviews



yup. your options are 4870 or 280 with(out) SLI :)..
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Benchmark for what purpose?

Even the 4870 and 280 cannot run all games at max settings and constant high frame rates, excluding Crysis.
 
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