Canon 60D X 70D X 650D X 700D Dilemma

ReCoN1989 said:
Good and bad are somewhat arbitrary here, a kit lens may compare favourably to a bridge camera but the quality is someway behind the lenses I recommended in terms of image quality, auto-focus speed and build quality. What I recommended will get the best possible image quality for £800. The OP hasn't given any indication that he needs or would benefit from the increased feature set of a xxD model.
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I never disputed that there are better lenses than the kit lens. In fact I reinforced that as it is my experience also, but I reiterate that the kit lens is no barrier to taking fantastic photographs.

I quickly switched from an xxxD body to an xxD when I started out. I realised I needed a decent burst rate, could use the extra focus points (I shoot my son's kart racing), longer battery life, and the magnesium construction has saved me from needing a new body several times. Even the shutter lag improvement was noticeable. There is more to a DSLR body than being a vehicle for an amazing lens.

So no, he didn't indicate a need for an xxD body, but he indicated an overall need for advice on the forum which I provided based on my experience. Offer your advice by all means, but perhaps spend less effort shooting down everyone else's?
 
I know the lens is the important factor but when you have a 1.4 prime and you want to use f/1.4 and it's sunny, having a 1/4000th max shutter speed will soon prove a pain in the ****.
 
Janesy B said:
I know the lens is the important factor but when you have a 1.4 prime and you want to use f/1.4 and it's sunny, having a 1/4000th max shutter speed will soon prove a pain in the ****.
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Amen.

That said ISO 50 can help make up for some of that, and overexposing a stop (what I tend to find, 1/4000, 1.4, ISO 100 is) isn't the end of the world as you can pretty easily bring it back in post.

kd
 
mctiny said:
Maybe you could help me with the differences?
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CGrieves said:
I never disputed that there are better lenses than the kit lens. In fact I reinforced that as it is my experience also, but I reiterate that the kit lens is no barrier to taking fantastic photographs.

I quickly switched from an xxxD body to an xxD when I started out. I realised I needed a decent burst rate, could use the extra focus points (I shoot my son's kart racing), longer battery life, and the magnesium construction has saved me from needing a new body several times. Even the shutter lag improvement was noticeable. There is more to a DSLR body than being a vehicle for an amazing lens.

So no, he didn't indicate a need for an xxD body, but he indicated an overall need for advice on the forum which I provided based on my experience. Offer your advice by all means, but perhaps spend less effort shooting down everyone else's?
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The difference as actually fairly small. It is perhaps worth noting that the 60D was not a true successor to the 50D due to the release of the 7D and therefore features like the magnesium body were dropped. The 60D won't give you any extra focus points although all 9 are cross type AF points and only the center point is on the 600D. In terms of FPS the 60D will give you a noticeable 1.6 boost; this may or may not be of any benefit to you. The 60D also has some basic weather sealing, but as your budget wont stretch to a 60D and a weather sealed lens it is a bit of a mute point for now. The shutter lag on dslrs compared to bridge cameras to my knowledge is simply miles ahead. That being said the 60D has about 40ms less lag, this may be noticable if using both but coming from a compact system either would be a big upgrade to you. You may also find the 1/8000 shutter speed useful with a fast lens on a very bright day. The battery life on the xxD compared to xxxD is double and with a battery grip you can shoot for a whole day, this is one of the biggest plus points. The biggest benefit of the 60D over the 600D is the improved ergonomics of the camera, the vertical grip is larger and far more comfortable.

As I mentioned previously you could get a 60D with a 17-50mm f2.8 tamron lens, which is excellent especially for the money it does have quite slow AF however. My advice remains however, unless any of the differences listed above are of significant benefit to you I would recommend the 600D with either a 24-105mm or a 17-55mm canon lens.
 
Canon EOS 60D Lens Kit (EF-S 17-85mm IS) for 799

Canon EOS 60D Lens Kit (EF-S 18-135mm IS) for 779

which would you guys says is the better choice?
 
King Damager said:
Amen.

That said ISO 50 can help make up for some of that, and overexposing a stop (what I tend to find, 1/4000, 1.4, ISO 100 is) isn't the end of the world as you can pretty easily bring it back in post.

kd
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ISO 50 isn't much use other than to be able to view the picture on the back of the screen without it looking as over exposed.
It's a simulated ISO though, so you will find you have less dynamic range in the highlights and they will be easily blown.
 
So, the decision has been made - 60D 18-135mm, and the best deal I find is out of stock and I arrive in London in a few days time...

Oh joy, any pointers?
 
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