Canon Discontinues products

The prices will all drop over time they always do it's just a real pain for anyone who was planning an upgrade allthough I'd always go second hand anyway as brand new is to expensive. They will of course sting all those people who have to have the new kit straight away but then that has always been the case if you want any of these items hold off 6 months!
 
I'll do the same as I did with the 70-200 IS mkII release as that was too expensive for me at release. It did mean though that the IS mkI second hand could be had for a bargain price, so I bought one of those. I've now sold the mkI for the same as I paid for it and picked up a new mkII which is much cheaper. The new 24-70 looks to be along the same lines as what the new mkII 70-200 was to the old, so it should be a pretty tasty lens.

I was all for moving to Nikon, buy after looking into it I can see that it wouldn't make any difference to my photography. If Jessops had had the D90 in stock back when I first bought a DLSR...
 
I don't think I would change for the sake of the cost of 1 lens and 1 flash.

The D800 isn't exactly pocket change is it?
 
I think the Canon 5D Mk3 is almost perfect, hopefully the price will come down to a more reasonable level within the next year or so. Same with the 24-70, although the Mk2 is vastly overpriced at at the moment.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
I think the Canon 5D Mk3 is almost perfect, hopefully the price will come down to a more reasonable level within the next year or so. Same with the 24-70, although the Mk2 is vastly overpriced at at the moment.
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The mk2 is over price, I agree and hopefully it'll come down eventually. At one point the mk1 can be had under £700 new, a good 40% lower than RRP but that was partly due to the strong pound before the recession. Although it is getting better now of late, and if it mk2 can be 30% lower than RRP then I might be tempted to upgrade.
 
adamau5 said:
have you seen the tamron 24-70 vc?
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It might be a contender if I can't source an old Canon 24-70. The only problem is, will I regret not getting the lens I really wanted? I'm making do with a 17-40 and a 70-200 for now but there are times I just wish I had something in that wide to short telephoto range so I don't have to change lenses so often.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I don't think I would change for the sake of the cost of 1 lens and 1 flash.

The D800 isn't exactly pocket change is it?
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Thom hogan has a few points:
Are You Really Locked into Glass?
May 15 (commentary)--One common statement I see in emails is that "I'm locked into Nikon (or Canon) glass, thus can't change mounts."

I'm not convinced such a statement stands up to full scrutiny. Most people are falling into the Cost Trap. They bought a lens for US$1000 ten years ago. They can only get US$500 for it if they sold it. This is seen as "losing US$500."

In reality, it means that the use cost of the lens was actually US$50 a year ([cost-resale]/years). Seems pretty inexpensive to me. If someone offered to rent you that lens for US$50 a year, you'd pretty much jump at the deal, right?

Things have two worths: (1) what you can get for it by selling it today; and (2) what you benefited from having it during its lifetime. #1 generally goes down over time, while #2 generally goes up. The balance line of how you make a "monetary decision" changes over time, eventually favoring #2 because #1 for good lenses doesn't usually approach zero.

Now, if you're a constant switcher, dumping everything every generation to jump to a different brand, sure, your costs go up. Consider someone buying US$6000 worth of reasonably high-end gear and then selling it and buying another US$6000 worth of gear when the next generation of equipment comes out. Their use cost is about US$3000 a year, which could easily reach 5x the use cost the ten-year switcher had.

The "lock," therefore, is very short-term. Hold equipment three or more generations of camera, and frankly I don't see a lock. Switch every time a maker issues a press release, and you'd be beyond foolish because you're ignoring the cost of use (e.g. locked).

Not that I advocate switching mounts, especially between the big two (Canon and Nikon). One or the other brand tends to have some advantage at any given time, but over a longer period of time, the distinction isn't all that dramatic. Better to be a little patient and keep driving your use costs down.

Jumping to a different class of camera is a little different. Whether you're going DX->FX or DX->mirrorless, you're probably jumping because of something that can't be matched by future generations of your camera.

Within any given sensor size, if you're only an occasional switcher, you're probably not locked, you're just over valuing what you'll get paid for selling it versus what you gained from owning and using it. Of course, if you never used it...
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A Canon 5dMkIII is £2995.00, 24-70mkII £2299.00, 70-200mm mkii £1829.00

Canon total: £7123

The Nikon D800 is £2413.00, 24-70mm is £1189.00. 70-200VRII is £1589.00

Nikon total: £5191, a saving a little shy of 2 grand:eek:


For those wondering about the lens comparison, the Nikon 24-70 is considered the benchmark pro wide-to-normal lens and considerably sharper than the old Canon mkI and it appears the new Canon mkII will be similar to the Nikon. Both 70-200 give almost identical performance. So it will be a very equivalent lens setup for less cost.
On many forums there are a lot of Canon owners swapping to Nikon D800 setup and it is very understandable why, especially if you need higher resolution or higher dynamic range, canon just does not compete at the same level at the moment.

Not that I am advocating people switching but it does make sense for many. If you have a Canon crop body with a 17-50 EF-S lens (be it Canon/Tamron/sigma) and you wanted to upgrade to a FF setup with a 24-70, you would have to have a lot of high quality FF lenses for it to ever be more economical to stay with Canon than swap to Nikon at the moment.

However, there is a big cost far beyond the mere economics. Simply knowing the camera controls, the systems and menus, the quirks, the direction of rotation to put on-off a lens, or focus ring directions etc.
The thing is in a years time Canon will probably release a new high res camera that will hopefully rectify Canon's issue with low DR so it is all swings and roundabouts. Nikon had a few years when they were clearly behind Canon, but ever since the D3 launch Nikon has really pushed the bar with a whole set of new lenses, cracking bodies and the partnership with Sony is producing fantastic sensor, as well as their own sensor design team making class leading sensor like the D3s see in the dark sensor.
 
James J said:
The current prices are getting a bit out of hand to be honest, especially for hobbyists.
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The irony being most hobbiests don't need a brand new 5D MKIII the latest 24-70 f2.8 and the 70-200 f2.8. If we ignored pixel peeping on photoshop and looked at the way most hobbyists actually output there work (relatively small prints, computer monitors and the web) then I seriously doubt you will see any difference bettween shots taken with a 5Dc and a Sigma 24-70 that can't be mostly attributed to different processing styles. I know I'll get flamed for that comment but if the people just taking pictures for fun are really honest they know they don't need the latest bleeding edge gear hell I still love the results from my 20 year old 70-210mm f4 I'd love a 70-200 L but I clearly don't need one!
 
This is very true, but the pro gear today is the hobbiests gear later down the line.
If the prices start out higher, then the resale / used prices will be higher too.

I've just bought a used 24-70 MKI but not because I need it, it was something I liked and got on with so I decided to get it. I've been thinking about a 70-200 2.8 and I'll hire one to have a play and if I like it I'll consider getting one....but again, not because I need it. I'm still using the Canon 450D I bought off the MM 2 years ago and I have no intentions of upgraded yet as I dont need to.

Whilst I'd love to have a 5D3 and a bunch of L lenses it's simply WAAAAY too expensive for 99.9% of non pro's (and some pros!!) so I'll have to either go with lower end kit or wait. I prefer to wait, I'd rather have better quality older kit then less quality brand new stuff when I do decide I want it.
 
D.P. said:
Thom hogan has a few points:




A Canon 5dMkIII is £2995.00, 24-70mkII £2299.00, 70-200mm mkii £1829.00

Canon total: £7123

The Nikon D800 is £2413.00, 24-70mm is £1189.00. 70-200VRII is £1589.00

Nikon total: £5191, a saving a little shy of 2 grand:eek:


For those wondering about the lens comparison, the Nikon 24-70 is considered the benchmark pro wide-to-normal lens and considerably sharper than the old Canon mkI and it appears the new Canon mkII will be similar to the Nikon. Both 70-200 give almost identical performance. So it will be a very equivalent lens setup for less cost.
On many forums there are a lot of Canon owners swapping to Nikon D800 setup and it is very understandable why, especially if you need higher resolution or higher dynamic range, canon just does not compete at the same level at the moment.

Not that I am advocating people switching but it does make sense for many. If you have a Canon crop body with a 17-50 EF-S lens (be it Canon/Tamron/sigma) and you wanted to upgrade to a FF setup with a 24-70, you would have to have a lot of high quality FF lenses for it to ever be more economical to stay with Canon than swap to Nikon at the moment.

However, there is a big cost far beyond the mere economics. Simply knowing the camera controls, the systems and menus, the quirks, the direction of rotation to put on-off a lens, or focus ring directions etc.
The thing is in a years time Canon will probably release a new high res camera that will hopefully rectify Canon's issue with low DR so it is all swings and roundabouts. Nikon had a few years when they were clearly behind Canon, but ever since the D3 launch Nikon has really pushed the bar with a whole set of new lenses, cracking bodies and the partnership with Sony is producing fantastic sensor, as well as their own sensor design team making class leading sensor like the D3s see in the dark sensor.
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While Canon's DR is lower than Sony/Nikon, that is not the issue, Canon sensors have more than enough DR. The issue is you can't use this dynamic range due to the banding issues Canon's have.
By all accounts, whatever Sony have done to resolve banding, they have a patent protecting it. If I were Canon, I would be doing my very best to licence this tech from Sony, or just buy an off the shelf Exmor from Sony for their next hi res body, if there is one on the way...
 
An Exception said:
While Canon's DR is lower than Sony/Nikon, that is not the issue, Canon sensors have more than enough DR. The issue is you can't use this dynamic range due to the banding issues Canon's have.
By all accounts, whatever Sony have done to resolve banding, they have a patent protecting it. If I were Canon, I would be doing my very best to licence this tech from Sony, or just buy an off the shelf Exmor from Sony for their next hi res body, if there is one on the way...
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There is no banding issue if HTP isn't used, it only shows up when that is enabled...
 
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a1ex2001 said:
The irony being most hobbiests don't need a brand new 5D MKIII the latest 24-70 f2.8 and the 70-200 f2.8. If we ignored pixel peeping on photoshop and looked at the way most hobbyists actually output there work (relatively small prints, computer monitors and the web) then I seriously doubt you will see any difference bettween shots taken with a 5Dc and a Sigma 24-70 that can't be mostly attributed to different processing styles. I know I'll get flamed for that comment but if the people just taking pictures for fun are really honest they know they don't need the latest bleeding edge gear hell I still love the results from my 20 year old 70-210mm f4 I'd love a 70-200 L but I clearly don't need one!
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I see your point, and I'm a big advocate of bang for buck. There are plenty of hobbyists out there who do want their work to be of the highest standard, because is it their hobby. There are plenty of big white lens owners shooting wildlife as a hobby and that costs tens of thousands!

Also as a DWAC (Dad with a camera), I have no less of a requirement to produce quality shots of my family. If I don't, then I have to pay a professional to do it and that'll cost a lot more in the long run! :D

The biggest I print regularly is 16x10. I like the way it sits in an A3 frame and not many people I deal with want anything bigger to hang on a wall (I'm not a fan of big empty surrounds around a photo either). My 1Ds2 does that size spot on, and the few A1\A2 poster prints I do (usually the sports stuff) don't require the intricate detail that a landscape might, so look pretty decent. So whilst I'd love a D800, the 36MP is something that I wouldn't make a lot of use of. Mainly the benefit there would be cropability but I don't need that a great deal. So after my gear lust subsided I'm happy again (I just try to ignore the ISO performance and 7 year old quirky controls!). :)
 
Yes gear lust can be financially dangerous, I just try not to spend much time thinking about a D800, as the more you think about something, the more you want it.
 
Highlight Tone Priority. There's a thread over on FM where a chap was showing banding examples from his shiny new 5D3. As soon as it was pointed out that he had HTP enabled, the subsequent example shots don't have banding. Still not the cleaner shadows of the D800, but at least the banding goes.
 
Rojin said:
Highlight Tone Priority. There's a thread over on FM where a chap was showing banding examples from his shiny new 5D3. As soon as it was pointed out that he had HTP enabled, the subsequent example shots don't have banding. Still not the cleaner shadows of the D800, but at least the banding goes.
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Explains why I had to bin tonnes of shots I took the other day due to banding! Had it enabled on one of my custom presets on my mk ii -.-
 
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