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Curlyriff

Curlyriff

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Hey all,

I have issue from a builder whom is in court and has disabled their website and I am struggling to find a cached version anywhere. Wayback Machine doesn't have results to pick up and so wondering if anyone has any good ways otherwise to find said info.
 
Dead URL: www.painswickbuildingservices.com
Company Name: Painswick Building Services Ltd
Company number: 09629953

As mentioned they don't have data showing on wayback, apart from 1 corrupt from 2018. We are trying to find like the about us and/or our service pages to cover what works they claimed they could complete. Did a little internet detective side this end no luck.
 
If you search for the website via Google or Bing, they both keep a 'cached version'.
On a google search, click the three dots next to the search result, and select cached from the menu that appears.
I'm not sure how recent, or for how long that version is kept though sorry.

Edit:Sorry that's not working, I guess as the website now no longer exists.
 
ODuffer said:
If you search for the website via Google or Bing, they both keep a 'cached version'.
On a google search, click the three dots next to the search result, and select cached from the menu that appears.
I'm not sure how recent, or for how long that version is kept though sorry.
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Cheers, had looked to try that but the google result doesn't come up for website and so can't select a cached version.
 
Did you actually visit the website before you contacted the builder or have you just found the link now that you have a problem with them?

DNS History looks like the site was taken offline 6 years ago.
 
touch said:
Did you actually visit the website before you contacted the builder or have you just found the link now that you have a problem with them?

DNS History looks like the site was taken offline 6 years ago.
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I have been on website, it was about 3yr ago though. The court part has been ongoing for almost 2yr now at this point and at moment is mental. They basically haven't built to code and yet with all the evidence, there are issues because the builder never provided calcs. I got a 3rd party to do the calcs to prove they don't work and because we didn't do them for 2yr are told it is too late to submit, you what? We didn't need to produce the calcs, that is the builders responsibility.

The whole thing has been a nightmare and will even if we win cost £20-30k in legal fees and such for works that would be about £10k to have fixed but are now too far in to not finish in court which why trying to find the original info.
 
Yeah we are struggling to find the info. The judge is killer. Throwing out evidence and calculations as too late to submit when it was never our requirement till the builder said they couldn't supply them.

And thanks people for trying. Yeah Google cache still a thing. Just not there.
 
Curlyriff said:
Yeah we are struggling to find the info. The judge is killer. Throwing out evidence and calculations as too late to submit when it was never our requirement till the builder said they couldn't supply them.

And thanks people for trying. Yeah Google cache still a thing. Just not there.
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You need to tell the judge that you did not have access to the information when you put the claim in.
 
Mrwong said:
You need to tell the judge that you did not have access to the information when you put the claim in.
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We have. The judge still threw out the evidence as too late to submit because he claimed we had 3yr to have the calcs done even though it is the builders responsibility to provide them and it is them that failed to provide them to date which is why we got them done by a 3rd party to show the information.

It shows the main structure of the building is not sound and doesn't conform to building regulations and yet seems to being dismissed as irrelevant to the fact. The builder has basically spliced the ceiling/first floor joists to get a steel beam that should have been installed from the external face of the structure and then they bolted it back together but not to suitable requirements and without even telling us. It was another reason (water leak to ceiling and withholding final payment till works were rectified) that we even found these issues when we got another builder to cut the plasterboard out to take a look at issue.

The builder took us to court for withholding final payment even though they haven't completed the works and haven't resolved the issues, our legal fees are around the £20k mark for what would have been a £3k builders bill and about £5k of remedial works. It just seems rather mental to be going through this considering building control haven't even signed off because it is incorrect. Even if we win (which is looking likely as the builder tried to settle but means we have to pay for all our own legal fees) we are still going to loose £15k+ from this mess.
 
Curlyriff said:
We have. The judge still threw out the evidence as too late to submit because he claimed we had 3yr to have the calcs done even though it is the builders responsibility to provide them and it is them that failed to provide them to date which is why we got them done by a 3rd party to show the information.

It shows the main structure of the building is not sound and doesn't conform to building regulations and yet seems to being dismissed as irrelevant to the fact. The builder has basically spliced the ceiling/first floor joists to get a steel beam that should have been installed from the external face of the structure and then they bolted it back together but not to suitable requirements and without even telling us. It was another reason (water leak to ceiling and withholding final payment till works were rectified) that we even found these issues when we got another builder to cut the plasterboard out to take a look at issue.

The builder took us to court for withholding final payment even though they haven't completed the works and haven't resolved the issues, our legal fees are around the £20k mark for what would have been a £3k builders bill and about £5k of remedial works. It just seems rather mental to be going through this considering building control haven't even signed off because it is incorrect. Even if we win (which is looking likely as the builder tried to settle but means we have to pay for all our own legal fees) we are still going to loose £15k+ from this mess.
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Criteria for permitting late evidence

In deciding whether to permit late evidence to be adduced, the court must have regard to all factors to ensure the case is dealt with fairly in accordance with the overriding objectives of the CPR.
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Criteria for permitting late evidence​


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B e f o r e :

HHJ PAUL MATTHEWS
(sitting as a Judge of the High Court)
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Between:

Patricia Ann Jones
David Jones
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Claimants
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Timothy Paul Oven
Ruth Oven​
Defendants
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Tim Calland (instructed by Birketts LLP) for the Claimants
Andrew Butler (instructed by Birkett Long LLP) for the Defendants
Hearing dates: 22, 26 and 27 June 2017
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