CAPITAL ONE CUP FINAL Chelsea v Tottenham Hotspur *** Spoilers ***
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Spurs never win after an Europa game. Shame, hate Chelsea.
Spurs utterly clueless.
I want Poch out. I expect he will be given a season more; in that season, he will need to get the team playing with any kind of clue of how to score a goal to win me around.
We love a bit of easy possession but in the final third we have no idea. Teams should just sit back and then hit us on the counter.
I want Poch out. I expect he will be given a season more; in that season, he will need to get the team playing with any kind of clue of how to score a goal to win me around.
We love a bit of easy possession but in the final third we have no idea. Teams should just sit back and then hit us on the counter.
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Yes, because wanting him out because you didn't score in 2 whole games in a row, while in his first season, when 95% of the squad he inherited and a large portion of it isn't good enough. Terrible he is, terrible. Before the last two games you had 5 league games in a row you scored at least 2 goals, 1 goal in the game before that, and put 5 past Chelsea the game before that.
5-3 was one of the best SPurs results in years and Spurs were better than they've been in years in it. Today was firstly, after a Euro game which is a huge disadvantage and also against what is still a better team with better players.
But attack Poch and want him out because with the limited changes he could make without replacing many players at all.... Spurs look much better, how awful for you.
Seriously, what are you expecting from a new manager?
You're competing with 5 clubs that have far greater resources than you. Without massive outside investment, which FFP prevents, it's nigh on impossible for Spurs to break into and establish themselves in the top 4. Spurs best and probably only hope is to put in place a long term plan around a progressive coach and build slowly.
Poch arrived on the back of the club spending quite heavily but going backwards. Because of that there wasn't going to massive money available to him to make drastic changes straight away. You are however looking a much better side now than the side you were last season and the opening months of this season.
I think that's harsh.
He is AVB MKII; we dont score goals as a team, we give it to Kane or Eriksen and they score. 5-3 was the Kane show...it was hardly a team effort in terms of scoring; Kane scored 2 and won the penalty for the third. Eriksen set up another and Chadli scored a deflection for the third.
Our GD in the PL is 5. We cant score goals as a team... which is exactly the same problem AVB had. If Tiger timmeh can come in and get us scoring straight away, any other competent manager should be able to improve on that.
I dont expect Poch to help us beat Chelsea or Fiorentina etc... I just want us to have a style and unity when we attack. We absolutely dont have that; we get the the final third and collapse. We were losing in the first part of the season and then Kane was introduced, he started scoring solo efforts along with Eriksen.
In order to improve, we need to have an ability as a team to create chances and score. Soldado is not an awful striker but he is a poacher. We dont create chances and so Soldado/Kane dont score simple goals. Instead we boss possession until the final third and then die a death as we realise how clueless we are.
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It's a shame because Liverpool had a tough away game too in Europe and they were raring to go against City earlier.
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Your GD is 5 because you have the 13th worse defence in the league AND the 5th best offence. You're talking completely out of your backside.
As for the CHelsea game being the Kane show, no, he scored 2 goals, Townsend, Rose and Chadli scored the others. Bentaleb and Mason dominated the midfield, Kane didn't. Every win is a team win, strikers score goals, central midfielders win the battle, defenders keep the goals out.
AVB's team literally couldn't score but weren't conceding much. The current spurs side are the complete and utter opposite and that you are even banging on about them being unable to score or comparing them to AVB's side directly is beyond absurd.
You are also discounting this slight thing that, AVB didn't put most of this team together. Soldado being crap happened before he joined, Lamela barely scoring and not getting many assists, again, not his choice. Dembele was broken as a player a few years ago.
He took over a new team, changes take time. The defence is improving and the attack is improving, the players are improving and the results have completely turned around.
Literally nothing you're saying has anything to do with reality, I honestly don't know what the **** you're talking about.
As for the CHelsea game being the Kane show, no, he scored 2 goals, Townsend, Rose and Chadli scored the others. Bentaleb and Mason dominated the midfield, Kane didn't. Every win is a team win, strikers score goals, central midfielders win the battle, defenders keep the goals out.
AVB's team literally couldn't score but weren't conceding much. The current spurs side are the complete and utter opposite and that you are even banging on about them being unable to score or comparing them to AVB's side directly is beyond absurd.
You are also discounting this slight thing that, AVB didn't put most of this team together. Soldado being crap happened before he joined, Lamela barely scoring and not getting many assists, again, not his choice. Dembele was broken as a player a few years ago.
He took over a new team, changes take time. The defence is improving and the attack is improving, the players are improving and the results have completely turned around.
Literally nothing you're saying has anything to do with reality, I honestly don't know what the **** you're talking about.
I hope you're right.
I have watched us struggle to score goals that aren't the result of individual brilliance for a long time.
Nonsense about a coach needing to sign "his" players is particularly absurd when it comes to Spurs. Top players will not sign for us; they will go to bigger clubs. AVB wanted Hulk and Moutinho... eminently reasonable requests? Poch wants Schneiderlin... Spurs dont have £35m to make Southampton sell. Coaches come to deal with the available squad not some wishlist.
Spurs' football is not devastating or incisive; it relies on dominating possession in the first two thirds and then hoping that Eriksen scores an 89min winner or Kane scores a solo effort. Mark those two out of the game and we will lose.
In an EPL where no team is really firing apart from Chelsea, Spurs are 5th top scorer. We are behind Chelsea, City, Man Utd, Arsenal and 1 ahead of Liverpool. 4 of those teams are getting slaughtered for under performing and Spurs are getting plaudits, yet we have under-scored all but Liverpool. So in a "strong" season we are 5th best.
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What, Southampton signed a bunch of players, Swansea got Bony, top players(in reputation) were at one stage not top players and there are plenty of great players available for cheap all over Europe every single transfer window. How much was Wolfsburgs current team that is tearing it up, loads of quality, most very cheap. Atletico have got huge value out of mostly players top clubs weren't interested in. Could Spurs today buy a Bale type 80mil transfer, no, but could they get one of a few dozen brilliant players who move clubs below the level of the top teams every year, of course.
A manager doesn't need to sign 'his' players, that isn't what I was saying. What I'm saying is he took over Spurs, not Chelsea, Real, or another team chock full of great players. He has Lamela who isn't playing well enough or anything close, Townsend who is mostly cack, Walker and Rose, Soldado. He's dealt with some of the crud, moving on the likes of Sandro. But he took over a team simply without a lot of really good players. Also most teams rely on individual brilliance to score goals in general.
Chelsea are top of the league and a good portion of their goals come as the result of one or two players taking out the entire defence themselves, often Hazard via dribbling through them or Fabregas usually by picking a pass through the entire defence.
If Spurs had better players I would expect Poch to do better, but he has Townsend, Soldado and a Lamela who both isn't contributing enough and isn't progressing.
A manager doesn't need to sign 'his' players, that isn't what I was saying. What I'm saying is he took over Spurs, not Chelsea, Real, or another team chock full of great players. He has Lamela who isn't playing well enough or anything close, Townsend who is mostly cack, Walker and Rose, Soldado. He's dealt with some of the crud, moving on the likes of Sandro. But he took over a team simply without a lot of really good players. Also most teams rely on individual brilliance to score goals in general.
Chelsea are top of the league and a good portion of their goals come as the result of one or two players taking out the entire defence themselves, often Hazard via dribbling through them or Fabregas usually by picking a pass through the entire defence.
If Spurs had better players I would expect Poch to do better, but he has Townsend, Soldado and a Lamela who both isn't contributing enough and isn't progressing.
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The players in our squad are all underperforming compared to their performances prior to joining spurs.
Poch has got the best out of Kane. If he did that with the rest of our players we would be amazing. Unfortunately, the majority of the players in our squad are under performing massively.
Davies is sitting on the bench for Rose. Dier is playing over Fazio. Townsend over Lamela. Big signings are sitting on the bench cos the coach cant get the best out of them. Fazio and Davies are Poch signings and he inherited Lamela but none of them (together with the rest of the squad) look good atm and his own signings have been dropped.
How can Southampton and West Ham look more threatening with "worse" players than spurs?
Well I've certainly enjoyed the day out at Wembley today! I thought Spurs played well and had most of the possession but once Chelsea went 2-0 up I felt comfortable that Spurs weren't going to score and Chelsea would see the game out.
Pleased with the seats I got in the end, even saw myself on TV after watching some highlights when I got home!
Pleased with the seats I got in the end, even saw myself on TV after watching some highlights when I got home!
It was a good day all round apart from that rain!
I was sitting in the bottom left of your picture 6 rows in and got soaked, luckily that didn't dampen anything though
Let's hope this win is the first of many for the new lads in the team
I was sitting in the bottom left of your picture 6 rows in and got soaked, luckily that didn't dampen anything though
Let's hope this win is the first of many for the new lads in the team
