Carragher on TalkSport

[BaZ87]

Baz, I'm sure I'm not the only Utd fan here to have read rumours about Scholes' private life upsetting his football leading up to his international retirement. It affected his football whatever it was and it lasted for a few years. When he retired it was final, there was no way back and his position in midfield still hasn't been properly replaced yet with one player who consistently plays. It was the beginning of last season when his form picked up and then he suffered his eye injury. That had a big effect on him too and he's managed to recapture his good form from a few years ago. He retired in an effort to improve his club form and England were lucky enough to have 2 good midfielders to fight for his former place in the team.

Sorry i don't understand, he had problems in his private life so couldn't play for England yet still managed to play for Utd?

Scholes was in the side and chose to retire, Carra isn't in the side and chose to retire both supposidly allowing youngsters to come through but for some reason Carra is getting more abuce than Scholes did.

As for Carra saying he'll play if needed; he will, i don't understand why people seem to think that there's such an injury crisis when King and Woodgate aren't going to be fit when neither would be in the starting 11. Terry will be fit, Ferdinand is fit and then there's still the likes of Richards and Lescott as cover, hardly a crisis. So i don't understand how Scholes saying its final is better than Carra saying he'll play in an injury crisis (which there isn't).

What? Scholes left England with no one on the left wing? lol He's a central midfielder not a winger. England have always had a shortage of left sided players, not exactly Scholes fault is it?

Carra's a cb but played most his England games as a full-back. At the time Scholes retired he was playing on the left with Gerrard and Lampard in the middle. Its not Scholes' fault that we have no left sided players but he was taking up that position and left us with nobody, Carra's leaving with a long list of capable CB's.

 

[weringo]

What? Scholes left England with no one on the left wing? lol He's a central midfielder not a winger. England have always had a shortage of left sided players, not exactly Scholes fault is it?

Sven was picking him regually on the left side of midfield, whether or not thats his best position is irrelevent. The point is that he was a first teamer and he left us in a worse position by retiring, therby screwing us over. Carragher wasn't even being picked for the squad let alone the first team.

 

[red11]

Sorry i don't understand, he had problems in his private life so couldn't play for England yet still managed to play for Utd?

Scholes was in the side and chose to retire, Carra isn't in the side and chose to retire both supposidly allowing youngsters to come through but for some reason Carra is getting more abuse than Scholes did.

As for Carra saying he'll play if needed; he will, i don't understand why people seem to think that there's such an injury crisis when King and Woodgate aren't going to be fit when neither would be in the starting 11. Terry will be fit, Ferdinand is fit and then there's still the likes of Richards and Lescott as cover, hardly a crisis. So i don't understand how Scholes saying its final is better than Carra saying he'll play in an injury crisis (which there isn't).

Well he wasn't going to completely retire from football at age 29. Club football is where it's at. It's where he made his name and he owed the club a lot more than England. And I'm sure that goes for most footballers these days. I didn't hear many people complaining when Carragher announced his international retirement, pool fans rejoiced as he could concentrate on Liverpool. The same as Scholes effectively. But the difference is that Carragher said he'd reconsider his decision if England needed him, and he's since turned down that offer. For the record I agree with Carragher's reasons for initially retiring, citing that younger players could take his place. Fair enough. But refusing an offer to be recalled into the team makes him appear two faced.

 

[weringo]

Well he wasn't going to completely retire from football at age 29. Club football is where it's at. It's where he made his name and he owed the club a lot more than England. And I'm sure that goes for most footballers these days. I didn't hear many people complaining when Carragher announced his international retirement, pool fans rejoiced as he could concentrate on Liverpool. The same as Scholes effectively. But the difference is that Carragher said he'd reconsider his decision if England needed him, and he's since turned down that offer. For the record I agree with Carragher's reasons for initially retiring, citing that younger players could take his place. Fair enough. But refusing an offer to be recalled into the team makes him appear two faced.

No he said he'd come back if there was an injury crisis. I fail to see that we are currently in an "injury crisis".

 

[Ripper]

Difference with Scholes is that he didn't cry about it like Carragher has done since he's announced it. He just retired and that was that, no fuss at all.

 

[red11]

Sven was picking him regually on the left side of midfield, whether or not thats his best position is irrelevent. The point is that he was a first teamer and he left us in a worse position by retiring, therby screwing us over. Carragher wasn't even being picked for the squad let alone the first team.

Why couldn't Gerrard play on the left, he's played everywhere bar nets for Liverpool? Who replaces Scholes is not up to Scholes, especially when it replaces him in a position that was not his own to begin with. Hardly what I would call screwing England over. Blame Sven for the lack of options on the left. Oh that's right, he's the guy who couldn't drop all the star names who couldn't play together in the last world cup....and the fans were crying out for some of these big names to be dropped. Was everyone crying for Scholes to be dropped?

 

[BaZ87]

Well he wasn't going to completely retire from football at age 29. Club football is where it's at. It's where he made his name and he owed the club a lot more than England. And I'm sure that goes for most footballers these days.

I completely agree and its the same for Carra which is why im shocked at people saying Carra's spoilt etc. I bet Nokkon or Ripper didn't have that view of Scholes when he announced his retirement.

But the difference is that Carragher said he'd reconsider his decision if England needed him, and he's since turned down that offer.

Carra said he would come out of retirement if needed due to an injury crisis which i beleive he will but thats not the case, McClaren went to him to talk him out of retirement not to because we haven't got enough fit cb's, there's no injury crisis so he's not playing.

His decision to retire is more or less permenant but he said that if he was needed from a short term view then he'll play, i see no point in him coming back for the friendly vs German to sit on the bench when that spot in the squad could be given to Lescott or another youngster. Had we been left with just 1 experienced cb and this had been a euro qualifier then im sure he would have played.

 

[BaZ87]

Difference with Scholes is that he didn't cry about it like Carragher has done since he's announced it. He just retired and that was that, no fuss at all.

Carra hasn't cried about anything, he announced he was considering retiring then got abused for it.

Do you think Scholes is a "whining knob" for not wanting to play on the left for England?

 

[Ripper]

I completely agree and its the same for Carra which is why im shocked at people saying Carra's spoilt etc. I bet Nokkon or Ripper didn't have that view of Scholes when he announced his retirement.

What view sorry?

I don't like whats happened with Carragher simply because he's gone on to a national radio station and made such a big deal out of it all. With Scholes it was all done without any fuss.

Added to the fact that Carragher doesn't even play for England anyway so its like my dog saying he doesn't want to play for England and not to bother selecting him.

It's been said many times in this thread, but the term is big time charlie.

 

[Ripper]

Carra hasn't cried about anything, he announced he was considering retiring then got abused for it.

Do you think Scholes is a "whining knob" for not wanting to play on the left for England?

No, as he didn't go on the radio and moan to the nation about it.

 

[Ripper]

Carra hasn't cried about anything, he announced he was considering retiring then got abused for it.

Do you think Scholes is a "whining knob" for not wanting to play on the left for England?

Any why announce your "considering" retiring? Either do it or don't. Attention seeker.

 

[BaZ87]

No, as he didn't go on the radio and moan to the nation about it.

lol go and listen to the thing before you comment.

He actually said that he has no problem with McClaren picking people ahead of him as football's a game of opinions but objected to being called a bottler by the **** of a presenter.

Carra didn't whine about not playing but chose to retire and like you say he's not playing so why the big deal. Scholes was playing but retired because he was being played out of position, that strikes me as being more of a "whining knob" if you ask me.

Any why announce your "considering" retiring? Either do it or don't. Attention seeker.

he done it because it got leaked to the press and because he promised McClaren that he would think about it after he initially told him he was retiring.

 

[Ripper]

I did listen to it, and I heard him say how he'd only played so many games at centre back anyway. He thinks he should be in the team and he isn't.

I can understand players doing this for their clubs as without first team football I can imagine the appeal not being there, thus players wanting to move to other clubs. But when its for your country, who have what, a game a month if that? What does it matter? McClarens selected him as he thinks he's good enough as backup to two very good players, whats wrong with that? I wish I had enough talent to be considered for the England squad.

Scholes was playing every England game so you can understand him needing to slow it down to keep his club form up. Carragher joins up with the squad, does training he'd otherwise be doing for Liverpool and then sits on his arse for 90mins, ready to aid England if any injuries occur. Whats wrong with continueing to do that?

 

[BaZ87]

I did listen to it, and I heard him say how he'd only played so many games at centre back anyway. He thinks he should be in the team and he isn't.

Carra saying who's played ahead of him is a fact its not whining. At the very start he clearly says he has no problem with McClaren picking players ahead of him which is why i don't know where your getting the whining part from.

I can understand players doing this for their clubs as without first team football I can imagine the appeal not being there, thus players wanting to move to other clubs. But when its for your country, who have what, a game a month if that? What does it matter? McClarens selected him as he thinks he's good enough as backup to two very good players, whats wrong with that? I wish I had enough talent to be considered for the England squad.

Good point so why did Scholes or Shearer choose to retire if its just 1 game a month?

Scholes was playing every England game so you can understand him needing to slow it down to keep his club form up. Carragher joins up with the squad, does training he'd otherwise be doing for Liverpool and then sits on his arse for 90mins, ready to aid England if any injuries occur. Whats wrong with continueing to do that?

Good to see your not trying to make excuses for Scholes

Carra's reasoning for retiring is not for being tired and needing the rest, like you say he's not playing which he says that on the radio. He chose to retire because he feels that at his age if he's not getting in the side he won't in the future and the spot in the squad should go to somebody else who may have an international future.

Scholes' decision to retire was completely a selfish one of not wanting to play on the left and wanting to save himself for Utd (the 2nd reason being perfectly acceptable imo).

 

[peetee]

like every other none carra hater here ill say HE SAID INJURY CRISIS, theres only 2 carp defenders injured, so why should he come back, if hes only going to be on the bench behind more carp defenders?
Terry and Rio will be playing, thats pretty clear right now, if both of those were injured, im sure he'd concider, because theres no1 else who could command a back line as well as him.
He is one of the big reasons why Pepe Reina just won the clean sheet award.. again.

 

[Youstolemyname]

******* hell the mancs are having a field day in this thread.

Let's get a few things straight:

1. Jamie Carragher, John Terry and Rio Ferdinand are the best three English central defenders at this moment in time. End of discussion.

2. Jamie Carragher was not selected to play for England when there was an injury crisis despite the above fact.

3. Jamie Carragher decided he no longer wanted to represent his country.

4. Some fat whopper on the radio calls him a bottler.

5. He calls the radio station to explain that he did this for the good of the country as the people getting a game ahead of him are younger than him. The younger players can improve whereas he cannot.

6. Foolishly, he still offers the fat whopper a personal confrontation at melwood.

7. The media latch on to it all and blow it all out of proportion. Firstly because it's the close season and secondly because most writers actually recognise Carragher is infinitely better than Ledley King and always will be.

8. Internet messageboards the world over erupt in this sort of ****.

9. People argue the toss over it and Carragher confirms he no longer wants to play for England.

10. Liverpool fans the world over smile a smile, wink to each other and breathe a collective sigh of relief as one of their best players reduces his chance of injury.

Rewind to Paul Scholes.

1. Paul Scholes announces his international retirement.

2. One out of five thousand people say 'Isn't he the ginger blind one with asthma? My next door neighbour has asthma.'

3. Life goes on.

Nobody cared about Scholes because the media said.....don't care.

Carragher did the honest, decent thing by retiring. Ledley King et al have a chance to improve and get used to the World class stage. By the time the next World Cup comes, Carragher will be older than me! He wont be any better and will be a lot slower. Fair play to the fella for putting country ahead of vanity.

The media did the attention seeking for him. And to be honest, when you earn over 100k a week why would you want attention?

 

[peetee]

No, as he didn't go on the radio and moan to the nation about it.

he rang up the station to defend himself, if someone was lauding you at work talking utter bs would you sit there and ignore them, or defend yourself?
He doesnt owe his country anything, mclarens never done him any favours, but he still stuck it out this long, and his heart was always in it, its a better move retiring now when as so many of you say there are a lot of quality CBs available, before things dont turn bitter or his heart isnt in it anymore, like Scholes, who i wont slate, because he got a rough ride too.

 

[peetee]

..snip..

Well done. Factual and educational, no big words for the ignorant among the thread.

That's the sort of comment that derails threads, please don't bother with it again, JG.

 

[dannyjo22]

Any why announce your "considering" retiring? Either do it or don't. Attention seeker.

Perhaps James Beattie should announce his retirement from international football too

 

[NokkonWud]

Scholes gave his reason for retiring from England in an issue of Four-Four-Two a couple of months back.