Cat C Help

[[TW]Fox]

since their value will barely be 4 figures anyway.

Here that Jez? Your S430 with Cat C after a small carpark dink is barely worth 4 figures anyway.

 

[Fr0dders]

i was referencing the scenic posted above. Stop being an arse fox !

 

[[TW]Fox]

i was referencing the scenic posted above. Stop being an arse fox !

Rubbish were you.

You said:

On older cars, there are ones (like the scenic posted above) that get written off as a cat C with very little damage. But these cars are of so little value anyway to get written off the in the first place, the savings of going cat C won't be worth it, since their value will barely be 4 figures anyway.

You used the Scenic as an example but it's quite clear you were implying that any car where the value is low enough to get a Cat C marker after a small knock is barely worth 4 figures.

I'm not being an arse, you are doing your irritating trait of wading into a thread and presenting dubious at best opinion as fact again I'm not the only one to have taken issue with your posts in this thread

The point is quite clear. Cat C on a new and high value car is almost certainly bad news. But Cat C on older cars is often not as a result of a serious accident. That really is all there is to it.

 

[Gaygle]

Sorry to dig up this thread again, but i was just mooching about the PH classifieds and saw this:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/2461141.htm

It's a Cat D and LOOK at it. It's destroyed! Just something to think about if you go to look at a car and the owner says "oh yeah, it's a Cat D, but don't worry about it, that just means it had light, superficial damage".

P.s. also, that seller is being a bit optimistic isn't he?! £8.5k for a destroyed 2006 335i with 73k on the clock and no iDrive. I could get an uncrashed one with that spec for about £12k!

 

[Gamefreak501]

My previous Car was a Cat-C Write Off, I purchased it for £750, had to get a VIC done on it for £30 (I only knew when I had to renew my tax disc and I didn't get a renewal letter) but there was clear crumpled damage in the spare wheel well, one of the rear light Clusters wasn't seated properly either and the bonnet had deep scratches on it - looked like the victim of a rear shunt that subsequently led to it going into the back of something else.

But I had limited funds and didn't have the time to do much looking around.

On reflection, it wasn't the right thing to do and caused me a lot of problems (having to drive some 20 miles because they closed the local VOSA Office etc). I won't be buying a Cat C or Cat D in future after all that hassle - even if it means saving some money because with buying an accident-damaged and marked Car, it does lose value and you do then have trouble selling it later.

In the end a number of faults (engine fuel trim code, poor economy at 27mpg, dodgy clutch+gearbox, strange noises from my braking system) made me get rid of it.

I'm not going to reiterate the Cat C vs Cat D explanations that have been stated a number of times in previous posts, but I did want to share my experience.

 

[Fr0dders]

Sorry to dig up this thread again, but i was just mooching about the PH classifieds and saw this:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/2461141.htm

It's a Cat D and LOOK at it. It's destroyed! Just something to think about if you go to look at a car and the owner says "oh yeah, it's a Cat D, but don't worry about it, that just means it had light, superficial damage".

P.s. also, that seller is being a bit optimistic isn't he?! £8.5k for a destroyed 2006 335i with 73k on the clock and no iDrive. I could get an uncrashed one with that spec for about £12k!

YOU ARE OVER REACING

THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH IT !!!! ONE ONE ONE

Lick of paint and some T Cut it will be good as new

 

[mattyprice4004]

Did you know Jez's Mercedes S430 is a Category C writeoff? Do you know why? Because it had a scrape in a carpark. Literally just that - a scrape in a carpark. A scuffed bumper and a cracked light cluster with a mark on the wing. It was written off Category C for that because the cost of an S Class light cluster, replacement bumper and work at a Mercedes Benz authorised repairer along with a hire S Class was many thousands of pounds.

Jez fixed it himself for literally a few hundred quid.

He has an S430? Isn't that a V8?
Lucky sod.

 

[[TW]Fox]

YOU ARE OVER REACING

THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH IT !!!! ONE ONE ONE

Lick of paint and some T Cut it will be good as new

I do wonder about you at times. Nobody has disputed that a high value Cat D/C car might have been involved in quite a hefty accident

The point was always that once a car reaches a certain value it's far from as clear cut as 'it will have had a huge smack, avoid'. Quite why you have so much difficulty grasping this is beyond me.

 

[Joe T]

Sold by "Target Cars"! lol!

 

[Fr0dders]

I do wonder about you at times. Nobody has disputed that a high value Cat D/C car might have been involved in quite a hefty accident

you were because you'd pick an argument with yourself if nobody was around.

 

[[TW]Fox]

you were because you'd pick an argument with yourself if nobody was around.

I was saying that high value Cat D cars might have only been involved in a minor accident?

If only you could read as well as you can post about everything ever regardless of whether you've any idea or not.

My posts in this thread, with an explanation for you as to what each one means:

No, this isn't neccesarily the case at all. It simply means the repair cost exceeds the value of the vehicle

This is pretty self explanatory. Crash a £20k car and it means that to become Cat C, you must do £20k of damage to it. This is clearly going to be a huge crash. Crash a £500 car and it means that to become Cat C, you must do £500 of damage to it.

Simple and easy. Lets move on.

Some Cat C writeoffs, especially higher value cars, have indeed been involved in nasty accidents but many have not.

Here we have recognition that some Cat C cars have been involved in nasty accidents. I particularly make reference to higher value cars. I go on to say that many cars, however, have not - these will be the non high value cars.

The biggest factor in whether a car becomes a Cat C or Cat D writeoff is the value of the car, not the severity of the accident.

Self explanatory again and completely true.

Thats because new and expensive cars which are Cat C have been involved in major smashes.

Oh look, me explaining that new and expensive cars which are Cat C *have* been in major accidents. Yet you are trying to pretend I've suggested the opposite? Why do this?

Cat C cars *can* be a major risk. If you are buying a 2 year old Mercedes and it's Cat C it's almost certainly been in a huge accident. If you are buying a 10 year old Mercedes and it's Cat C there is a high chance somebody broke a light cluster and scraped the bumper so its worthy of more investigation.

Oh look. Yet again I clearly reference the fact that its almost CERTAIN that a higher value car thats Cat C has been involved in a big accident.

Seriously, why do you do this? You do it ALL the time. You post in every thread about every subject ever (Not even I do that). No person can know everything about everything ever but you try and come across like you do. When you invariably end up being mistaken (Because hey, nobody knows everything) you then end up being insulting and rude and making silly comments about how those of us who pull you up on it should be 'ignored' or you try and imply we could argue in an empty room.

The only argument in this thread is as a direct result of your posts and the fact you've got a stronger desire to post in every thread than you have to to settle on an opinion.

I appreciate that I have now made one of my more harsh posts. This is because of the way you sarcasticaly came back into this thread to try and make it look like somebody posting a high value writeoff that had been in a big smack (Though really it doesnt look huge to me) backed up your point.

This irritated me.

The problem here is your refusal to accept that it's perfectly possible for many cheaper cars to be involved in a minor accident and subsequently end up being Cat C or D. As the car ages, it becomes less and less easily to categorically state 'its had a big crash!' just by it's Cat C or D status.

 

[Fr0dders]

This irritated me.

Would have sufficed to explain what happened. I've learnt that when that happens the best thing to do is to leave the thread first, because like a dog with a bone, that won't be you. So i'll do it instead.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Would have sufficed to explain what happened. I've learnt that when that happens the best thing to do is to leave the thread first, because like a dog with a bone, that won't be you. So i'll do it instead.

And then come back into it a week later with a sarcastic retort?

 

[Sone]

zing

 

[rG-tom]

that 335i doesnt look exactly destroyed? it's only the very front of the car that looks screwed (and bizarrely a clean cut out in one wing ?:s). definitely not one of the worst crashes ive seen! Definitely not one worth dragging the thread back up for

 

[Joe T]

 

[Scania]

The above would probably have been a cat C - its back on the road again despite its £35k ish of damage!

The reason is simple, it was less than a month old when it crashed & circa £90k new.

 

[[TW]Fox]

That wont be a Cat C - it will be completely unclassified.

Thus further proving why the whole accident damaged thing is not really as simple as people think.

 

[Scania]

That wont be a Cat C - it will be completely unclassified.

Why do you say that out of curiosity?

I would think its high cost of repairs offset by its high value would make it thus?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Why do you say that out of curiosity?

I would think its high cost of repairs offset by its high value would make it thus?

Category C or D is a category of insurance writeoff. The fact it was repaired and put back into service suggests it wasn't a total loss. Therefore it wont have been written off - it was repaired and then went back into service.

The fact it was worth £90k yet sustained £35k of damage means its a repair not a writeoff. Thats like sustaining £3.5k of damage on a £9k car - it's going to be repaired, not written off.