Cat problem

AHarvey

AHarvey

AHarvey

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Hi all,

Looking for serious answers here :)

My cat, has again for some reason starts peeing on the kitchen side. He's done it in the past but stopped, tricks we tried then aren't working.

His litter trays is in the kitchen, in the corner, its clean and completely emptied and scrubbed weekly. His food is where he pee's.

Anyone any suggestions on how to stop it?

Last idea I had was to setup netbook and get webcam going. I know you can get software that records when it senses movement, but a really loud audible alarm for when it detects movement on the side would be great. Just can't find any software that does it.

You can't rub there nose in it or punish them as it can make them do it more.

Before now we've scrubbed it, but with a baby on the way its not something I really want to have to keep dealing with. I don't want to have to get rid as other than this, he's a great cat!
 
When you catch him peeing, grab him by the scruff of the neck and drop kick him through an open window. Eventually he'll learn to put one and one together.
 
try moving the litter tray somewhere else , same with his food , i always thought animals didnt like to eat where the urinate anyway ?

You can't rub there nose in it or punish them as it can make them do it more.
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certainly wasn't the case with any of our cats , water pistols , nose rubbing , rolled up newspaper , 20 happy years of them never doing anything wrong and being generally great




im sure someone in one of the hardware sections could sort you out with your webcam idea though!
 
Pete.Dakota said:
Do you not let the cat outside?

Is possible to keep the cat out of the kitchen?
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Cat is out most of the day and sometimes all night. I came home tonight, let the cat in as he has been out for 3 hours and within 15 mins he had done it again.

2 problems with keeping him out is that the dogs water is in there so they need access and there is no door, just wouldn't be wide enough. It's quite a narrow doorway for some reason.

"andy" said:
try moving the litter tray somewhere else , same with his food , i always thought animals didnt like to eat where the urinate anyway ?

certainly wasn't the case with any of our cats , water pistols , nose rubbing , rolled up newspaper , 20 happy years of them never doing anything wrong and being generally great

im sure someone in one of the hardware sections could sort you out with your webcam idea though!
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We bought the litter tray in to the kitchen because it was upstairs when he first started doing this and it was fine, and we've read the same online, they don't pee where they eat hence his food being there. Also been told it can be a sign of stress and rubbing their nose in it can make it worse.

He's such a lovely cat, and other than being very vocal (and missing a leg) this is his only issue.
 
It may be worth giving Feliway a try - it's a man-made cat pheromone that mimics the scent that cats leave when they rub their faces on objects.
It's been shown to reduce stress in cats and does apparently help with the peeing issue.

I been using it in my house for about 2 months due to my cat being susceptible to stress and getting cystisis as a result and so far he's responded well.

It comes as either an plugin diffuser or a spray and it can be a bit expensive but there are some cheaper deals around online (rainforest store is good).

http://www.feliway.com/gb
 
are you sure you keep his littertray clean enough? for example you do poop scoop it daily to remove any logs etc? the only time my cats have ever peed anywhere in the house is if the litter tray stunk because i didnt change it soon enough and the cats didnt want to use it for that reason.

how old is your cat? and has it been behaving as usual? sometimes it can be a sign of problems and the cat is trying to make you aware, if your cat has been overly friendly , trying to bug you a lot etc make sure its OK.

as thats a sign they are in pain or discomfort

btw move the food and litter tray to different places keep them quite a distant apart, you wouldnt like to eat near your toilet and neither does your cat
 
Move his food and water away from his tray. It's not ideal but try putting it where he pees on the counter.
 
Further development, wife awoke this morning to little areas of blood everywhere.

Looks like he is ill again and the weeing was a way of telling us. Vet said it was crystals in his urine from eating only dried food, so since last year he's been on 95% wet and 5% dry as a treat. Looks like its back to the vets for more drugs and no dry food at all. :(
 
Its a Urinary Tract Infection. Once a cat gets one its more likely to get another. A course of drugs will have it back to normal. If you were only feeding 5% dry I wouldn't worry about stopping feeding it. Maybe try adding water to the wet food or even fishy water in a bowl. I.E water you have cooked fish in, the water from cans of tuna if you buy it in spring water instead of brine or oil.

We also only realised it was something serious when we starting seeing little pink blobs of goo on the floor. Previous to that the cat was peeing on my clothes (that i left on the floor like a tramp) and also on the carpet in the hall. Pretty much anywhere she thought we would notice. We just thought it was behavioural. Now she only ever goes in the trays. Still never covers her poo up though. Dirty bitch.

From what I've heard cats don't link a punishment with something they've done so your essentially just harming it if you do things like rub its nose in the pee, smack it on the backside etc. Stunningly do link treats to actions though.
 
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Could well be cystitis, it means they struggle to pee because their bladder's inflamed but they feel like they need to pee all the time. It'll be painful for the cat as well as it makes their urine more acidic so it stings.

Cystitis is generally caused by stress and/or being overweight.
 
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Crystals in urine for male cats is a bad thing. One of my cats had same problem and after operations, the bill was over £4k (yay for insurance).

You can get dried food that is "High Dilution" which means the crystals never form, but it's a bit pricey. We used to get ours from our vet, think it was made by Royal Canin. Worth it as if untreated the crystals will block his 'flow' and it backs up to kidneys in cats (and is usually fatal) :(
 
Yeah, it was a urinary tract infection last time, course of drugs + urine sample. Not stressed or overweight, just likes his dry food but he's coming off that completely now! The dogs can finish what is left, then they then will be going on wet diets instead of 100% dry.

I've also heard that todge, hence the reason I wasn't punishing him.

Just waiting for the vets to get back to me.
 
get a cat flap, if he can go out freely you don't even need a litter tray and no reason for the cat be even thinking about letting loose in your kitchen.


My cat left two dead birds in my kitchen yesterday, he was well happy, I wasn't, blood everywhere.
 
our cat has problems with this as well, poor thing :(

it can be an infection or just something they get sometimes brought on by stress or similar - worth getting them to the vet to check though.

Food wise we give ours: Royal Canin Feline Urinary S/O LP34 dry food once a day and a normal wet food in the evenings - usually watered down with a fare amount of water.

If hes in high stress situation (ie at the cattery or people visiting) we switch to 100% Royal Canin Veterinary Diets Feline Urinary S/O Pouches which seems to keep him safe and happy.

They aren't the cheapest but the excess on the insurance adds up quickly!

Edit: don't go for 100% wet, it'll ruin his teeth, the Royal Canin dry above works very well :) (and make sure he has water left out for him all the time, sure you know this but apparently storing tap water for a day or so before putting it out for them will make it more attractive to them)
 
Hank_Marvin said:
get a cat flap, if he can go out freely you don't even need a litter tray and no reason for the cat be even thinking about letting loose in your kitchen.
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I know a LOT of cats that go outside but come indoors to use the trays. If its what they are used to they'll just crap on the floor where the tray was if you remove the trays.

Siliconslave said:
Edit: don't go for 100% wet, it'll ruin his teeth, the Royal Canin dry above works very well :) (and make sure he has water left out for him all the time, sure you know this but apparently storing tap water for a day or so before putting it out for them will make it more attractive to them)
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If the kibble is the usual size for cats then it'll make little difference for the teeth. Most cats just crack it once and then swallow, a proper chew toy like dogs have would do infinitely more good for a cats teeth. Its like saying that eating a cookie (even if it was 0% fat and 0% sugar) would clean human teeth.

Also that urinary food seems very high in carbohydrates for an animal that is an obligate carnivore and can barely process carbs. You may wish to look at the wet and dry food roundup that can be found on petforums.co.uk.
 
Todge said:
I know a LOT of cats that go outside but come indoors to use the trays. If its what they are used to they'll just crap on the floor where the tray was if you remove the trays.
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But why would you want a poo tray in your house if you don't have to, yes when they are a kitten of course but they stink and nothing worse then cat poo, walking into your house and smelling it lol.

To start with, put the tray outside the door near the cat flap, move it further from house bit by bit if need be and then get rid.
 
Hank_Marvin said:
But why would you want a poo tray in your house if you don't have to, yes when they are a kitten of course but they stink and nothing worse then cat poo, walking into your house and smelling it lol.

To start with, put the tray outside the door near the cat flap, move it further from house bit by bit if need be and then get rid.
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If you had a dog would you not clean up its **** when you took it out for a walk? Encouraging your cat to do its business outside is exactly the same thing. There are plenty of iffy diseases which can be contracted from the faeces of both so it should be contained appropriately. I'm sure you'd not be too pleased if your kid came running in with crap smeared on its face and eyes because your neighbour didn't care where its animal did its business.

Most cat poo smells because of the food that it is being fed. The song "Smelly Cat" from Friends is quite accurate in that regard. Most supermarket foods are full of sugar and carbs to fill the packet out which make the crap stink to high heaven. Better quality food (note: doesn't mean it has to be expensive) will generally produce less ferocious bowel movements as there is far less waste in every packet Also generally means that they eat less packets as there is more useful content in a smaller portion.
 
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