Catalyst 7.7 Released

Tom|Nbk · 23 Jul 2007 at 23:18

If you view all the benchmarks you will see the results are all over the place clearly the compiler just isn't working right in DX10 yet.

Tom|Nbk · 23 Jul 2007 at 23:19

gareth170 said:
from the ati site.. http://ati.amd.com/products/catalyst/betatester.html

Ahh right im not sure if there accepting applications through that anymore I think its just internally now. Hmm.

Tom|Nbk · 23 Jul 2007 at 23:24

willhub said:
How when those benchmarks clearly show the 2900 is dead in the water as far as DX10 is concerned.

Will you look past that and engage your brain and realise this is clearly driver related. You do worry too much Will. The compiler is the part of the arc and relies on the drivers instructions that organises everything to the GPU as you can see there still tweaking many aspects of the DX10 api. The ones where performance is up on par is how it all should be in the end the ones that are 1fps are clearly not tweaked at all yet. A lot of work to be done.

Tom|Nbk · 23 Jul 2007 at 23:30

Hamoodii said:
Well Bioshock is due for release on the 24th of August, will Ati make it time?

From these results I really doubt it. Id expect the card to be running at it's full DX10 capacity by Sep/Oct/Nov (total guess) at a push there is so much work to do I didn't actually realise it was this bad as I don't pay much attention to DX10. Still I'll give Bioshock a go regardless.

Tom|Nbk · 23 Jul 2007 at 23:34

Gerard said:
I think the problem is though the card was delayed by 7 months and by looking at some areas where its lacking its clear it was still released too early.

Not sure what you mean by this, drivers are always going to need time to improve ATi only released it's DX10 driver model in 7.5 Nvidia have had theres out nearly 1 year. This is clearly a compiler issue not the card. How long ATi will take to fix this who knows I'll certainly be nagging

Tom|Nbk · 23 Jul 2007 at 23:44

Gerard said:
Well the fact is some people are saying it was built for dx10 etc so id expect their dx 10 drivers to be upto par. When the card was released people were syaing wait for dx10 etc, then the call of juarez benchmark was released and it didn't perform too good in it. Saying that though nothing really ran that demo well. I personally think crysis will be the big test, its just possible by the time crysis is released nvidia might have their new high end part out and most likely dwarf the 2900xt dx10 performance no matter how well it fares in crysis.

read the sir eric demer interview if you havn't already he's already been nagging the driver team for ages to get the dx10 performance up it's going to take a serious amount of time before it's full potential is unleashed by which time I may have already sold the card and moved on.

Tom|Nbk · 23 Jul 2007 at 23:48

Dan2kx said:
You wouldn't be thinking about jumping the fence would ya!??

If the G92 is what the web has speculated it to be then Yes.

Tom|Nbk · 23 Jul 2007 at 23:53

Dan2kx said:
do you think ATI's next party piece will stand a chance then?

I think it will but I'll be too happy enjoying the sheer monster that should be the G90 to even care

Tom|Nbk · 23 Jul 2007 at 23:58

These results have brought everything into reality and Im glad to have seen them we now know where ATi need to tweak and where they don't and just why the card performs like dog in DX10 atm.

Here is the benchmark for DX10 if people want to try for themselves

REHOSTED

http://download.yousendit.com/9F90671F03560220

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 00:00

Another thing to note

драйверы ATI CATALYST версии 8.3891; NVIDIA ForceWare версии 158.45.

These were the 7.5 drivers from months ago. Does anyone want to try with the latest 7.7s?

Dan2kx said:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /video/itogi-video/ini/rmdx10.rar on this server.

Works fine here.

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 00:05

Ok rehosted it

http://download.yousendit.com/9F90671F03560220

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 00:07

Dan2kx said:
yup got it, will post results soon!

Looking forward to these

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 00:11

Dan2kx said:
any particular settings you want me to run!?
or just default!?

Id presume just default in the review they used a 30" so thats a bit of a bummer as a lot of people don't have screens that size you could just run the tests that the 2900 suffered heavily in from that review and then perhaps try to compare. That way we get some idea if things have improved

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 00:14

Does someone want to make a new thread for this benchie. It deserves it

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 00:15

willhub said:
Ok.

Done them, I used 1280x1024, no AA.

Mineral PS4.0: 235fps
Fire PS4.0: 3.2fps
PS4 Texture Test (Fur, SSAA: Off, Effect Detail@ High): 61.1fps
PS4 Texture Test (Steep Parallax Mapping, SSAA: Off, Effect Detail: High):50.2
Vertex Texture Fetch: (Testing: Earth, Effect Detail: High, Polygon count: High): 107fps.
Same as above but waves: 56.4
Geometry Shader Test: (Shader: Galaxy, Polygon count: High, GS Load: Hevy) : 36.7
Same above but hyper light: 80.3

All take with AA set to none at the top.

I think its safe to say looking at those results performance hasnt changed one bit from 7.5 to 7.7. Oh dear.

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 00:18

Jihad said:
I did the test from the nvidia side using the same test and settings/resolution:

Me:

Remember that the review used a 30" most likely using its native resolution.

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 00:20

Someone make a new thread I CBA and your killing the Catalyst 7.7 talk

Jihad said:
They used 1280x1024 for that test I looked through the non-translated page to make sure.

Ahh.

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 00:22

willhub said:
That's unusual, with same settings but with 1440x1050 I get 35fps there

Thats scary as your using 2x 2600XT

Are you both on the same drivers?

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 00:22

willhub said:
Anyone made a thread? If not I'll make one, just need a name for it.

RightMark3D DX10 Benchmark

Tom|Nbk · 24 Jul 2007 at 15:28

I think the conclusion from this thread is we are all looking forward to 7.8's, No?