Catalyst 7.7 Released

willhub · 20 Jul 2007 at 23:53

Gerard said:
Doubt it as the core does run really hot. Just dunno how i was able to get that working, i ended up reinstalling drivers off the net and the fan started kicking up, was afraid at the time the card was cooking itself.

This card runs as cool as a GTS, 50 idle, 70 load.

Gerard · 20 Jul 2007 at 23:56

Still not something id trust with 25% fan speed unless it was loading at 70c with that speed. Personally id wait for ati to fix it so if it does go **** up its them thats to blame and it can be replaced.

Not that it couldn't be replaced if user error was the cause of its demise.

willhub · 20 Jul 2007 at 23:57

Gerard said:
Still not something id trust with 25% fan speed unless it was loading at 70c with that speed. Personally id wait for ati to fix it so if it does go **** up its them thats to blame and it can be replaced.

Not that it couldn't be replaced if user error was the cause of its demise.

I dont think its anything to do with drivers, the fan even spins up like this with no drivers installed.

Also in ATi Tool aint there supposed to be a 2D slider for memory and core, and nother one for 3D? I only have 1 slider for core and memory and It seems the 2D Speeds are effective in Games, any way to check?

killer_uk · 20 Jul 2007 at 23:59

Gerard said:
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I've never had an issue with my fan either. :/

willhub · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:00

killer_uk said:
I've never had an issue with my fan either. :/

What drivers are you using?

Have you got an 8pin power connector in aswell?

Gerard · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:01

willhub said:
I dont think its anything to do with drivers, the fan even spins up like this with no drivers installed.

Yeah but the drivers control the fanspeed, with my old x1900's it was the same case, if i was doing a new windows install id have to wait till i was able to install catalyst drivers before the fans finally spun down, listening to a crossfire setup going full pelt for 45mins wasn't much fun.

It was mentioned in some reviews that the loud fan are a result of a driver bug and theyre supposodly working to fix it.

willhub · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:03

Gerard said:
Yeah but the drivers control the fanspeed, with my old x1900's it was the same case, if i was doing a new windows install id have to wait till i was able to install catalyst drivers before the fans finally spun down, listening to a crossfire setup going full pelt for 45mins wasn't much fun.

It was mentioned in some reviews that the loud fan are a result of a driver bug and theyre supposodly working to fix it.

It must be controlled by something else, as I did not even have any drivers installed, and the fan spun up and down all the time on the desktop, which suggests drivers aint always controlling the fan speed.

gareth170 · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:04

well my fan speed is at 16% on my 2600xt.. temperature is 58c...

killer_uk · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:04

willhub said:
What drivers are you using?

Have you got an 8pin power connector in aswell?

I've never had an issue even from the first revision of drivers that came on the CD. Since then I've used every driver up until now (7.7).

I have ran my card both with the 6 + 6pin and the 6 + 8pin config and there has been no difference.

Tom|Nbk · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:05

Gerard said:
Still not something id trust with 25% fan speed unless it was loading at 70c with that speed. Personally id wait for ati to fix it so if it does go **** up its them thats to blame and it can be replaced.

Not that it couldn't be replaced if user error was the cause of its demise.

ATi won't be fixing it nor was there ever actually an issue with the fans to begin with, this is how loud/fast they were supposed to run. Somthing may happen in the future but I seriously doubt it.

Also I wouldnt recommened running it @ 25% in 2D, I did it and the temps shot right up I quit the game before I killed the card or somthing. This card needs the fan running at high RPM in 3D to shift that much heat.

willhub · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:06

So why is mind spinning up so loud? You can always hear it, right now the fan is at 33% and core temp is around 50 degrees.

Gerard · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:06

Is it possible some cards (the majority it seems) just have dodgy fans and ati don't want to admit to it? They are pwm fans are they not so should spin up depending on heat generated by the core?

Tom|Nbk · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:07

Gerard said:
Is it possible some cards (the majority it seems) just have dodgy fans and ati don't want to admit to it? They are pwm fans are they not so should spin up depending on heat generated by the core?

2900 has a digital pwm

And will 31% is what they run at in 2D, its perfectly reasonable so I don't know what the fuss is.

willhub · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:08

If everyone elses fans are silent then 25% should not be a problem.

Whats the temp of your 2900's get up to when running ATi tool 3D View?

Tom|Nbk said:
2900 has a digital pwm

And will 31% is what they run at in 2D, its perfectly reasonable so I don't know what the fuss is.

Your teling me 31% is silent when it aint on my card, I can hear it, anyone could...

RavenUK · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:09

Fan speeds are programed in to the cards bios, there is no way it could overheat and kill its self, it would shut down at a certain temp. I also believe ATI have poor quality control system, my card runs at 60c idle and tops out at 75c with a well ventilated case and that's with the fan hitting 61% in 3D, i changed it with ATI tool because of the warm weather down here, anyway i just built a new rig for my mate with the 2900 card and i couldn't believe what temps he was getting it was like 42c idle and never above 65c in game, and because the fan doesn't kick in till 70c it was at idle fan speed so real quite, i think some get well fitted heatsinks and others with poor temps not so well fitted.

killer_uk · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:09

Gerard said:
Is it possible some cards (the majority it seems) just have dodgy fans and ati don't want to admit to it? They are pwm fans are they not so should spin up depending on heat generated by the core?

Highly unlikely as all the different manufacturers will get fans from different sources.

Gerard · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:09

Tom|Nbk said:
2900 has a digital pwm

And will 31% is what they run at in 2D, its perfectly reasonable so I don't know what the fuss is.

Has there been any word in the beta releases about the loud fan issues in 3d ?

Tom|Nbk · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:09

willhub said:
If everyone elses fans are silent then 25% should not be a problem.

Whats the temp of your 2900's get up to when running ATi tool 3D View?

25% in 2D should be ok but when I tried i hardly noticed any difference in noise between 25 and 31 this is why I don't understand the fuss. 25% in 3D is NOT recommended.

Tom|Nbk · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:10

Gerard said:
Has there been any word in the beta releases about the loud fan issues in 3d ?

None except when they said somthing had been uncovered so they may sort it and they may not, the fan is running as per the cards bios table. So to sort it you'd have to flash the bios.

Also these 2900s will only allow fan control as per the bios table so say for example

You cant run at 34% it rounds down to 31% and you cant run at 27% it rounds down to 25% and so on and so on.

willhub · 21 Jul 2007 at 00:10

Gerard said:
Has there been any word in the beta releases about the loud fan issues in 3d ?

Its not a driver problem, apparently the fan is fine :\

Tom|Nbk said:
25% in 2D should be ok but when I tried i hardly noticed any difference in noise between 25 and 31 this is why I don't understand the fuss. 25% in 3D is NOT recommended.

You must think I aint telling the truth, 25% is silent, 28% is silent, as soon as I go to 29% or over, its not silent, its easilly audible, a lot louder than 25%.