CBT - What a Joke!

"andy" · 31 Mar 2007 at 20:29

tbh you spend most your time in car lessons learning to be aware of whats around you so you dont plough into it , plough it down , pull out infront of it etc.

on a bike you just HAVE to be aware of whats around you or your going to end up getting peeled off the tarmac or pulled out of a hedge bit by bit

i still agree the CBT should be longer or a "test"

Scarfacé · 31 Mar 2007 at 20:52

moss said:
Lets asume you have no chance of getting out of the way and are going to be hit dead centre by both, I reckon you probably have more chance with the car than a bike. Many cars now are designed to be as pedestrian friendly as possible. My theory may be totally wrong, but I think I'd rather be hit by this...
*tiny pic of nissan micra*
rather than this...
*huge pic of a 1000cc sports bike*

I'd rather be hit by:

than this

The chances of someone hitting and killing someone on a 12bhp scooter are a lot less than in a car. We're not talking about bigger/faster bikes... people cannot ride sports bikes and go mach5 on a CBT.

You could say the same about 17 year olds going out in their mum's 2 Litre car to learn in, there's no dual controls or anything there, so lets ban that too, shall we?

Cars are a lot more lethal than even powerful sports bikes. Yet a 17 year old on his birthday with ZERO driving experience could go out in a Porsche 911 with his dad sat next to him. However, to ride a powerful bike, you have to be 21 and pass a very intensive DA course.

How many times have you read/heard that a boy racer had killed himself/others in his car?

Ok, now, when was the last time you heard that a boy racer had killed himself/others on his 50cc Ped on a CBT?

I rest my case.

moss · 31 Mar 2007 at 20:54

Scarfacé said:
Scooter/Hooooge truck

Got to be honest, dont see many of those trucks on the road

Scarfacé · 31 Mar 2007 at 21:06

moss said:
Got to be honest, dont see many of those trucks on the road

Hehe, I was going to use a Porsche Cayenne or a Hummer but then it wouldn't of been as funny as your example.

But honestly guys, I sadly have to attend a college at the moment due to work, and I see hundreds of these little scrotes on 49cc/125cc bikes with L plates on. These things really don't move at any great rate of speed and could honestly do more damage to your hearing than anything else. Not to mention it eases traffic if they're not driving cars!

I think it's a good way of the scrotes to get to school/college, they generally ride sensible (they have no choice on those things!). When they fall off it's usually in the car park when they try to do a burn out of their stands.

Basically what I'm saying is, if you stopped this little scrotes from riding their peds, it would make my days less comical and it would also stop nature taking place.

PardonTheWait · 31 Mar 2007 at 21:16

I've got my CBT tomorrow, but I won't be riding anything until I take - and hopefully pass - my test on the 10th.

That's because I'm doing the DAS though, if I was *just* taking my CBT, I'd go out on my own on a 125.

I do agree it should be more than one day though - you don't even have to *pass* your CBT. You just have to take it and not be rubbish in their eyes. My mum took a CBT and didn't feel safe to go on the roads afterwards, and she said some of the guys on her course with her were much worse. She changed to a different school for the rest of her course but all the scrotes who were on the day with her are probably all haring around on RS125s without half a clue what they're doing.

"andy" · 31 Mar 2007 at 22:04

my younger brothers mate actually fell off his scooter on the cbt on the morning and they still gave him the cert

chesterstu · 31 Mar 2007 at 22:06

so let me sum up the responses here. Having only ~13BHP makes up for having no idea what to do at round-a-bouts and unmarked crossroads. It also, makes up for not having any training in how to do the hardest thing in driving, imo anyway, turning right. So if i restrict all new car drivers to 50bhp and they can drive without any supervision that would make them safe?

PardonTheWait · 31 Mar 2007 at 22:08

chesterstu said:
so let me sum up the responses here. Having only ~13BHP makes up for having no idea what to do at round-a-bouts and unmarked crossroads. It also, makes up for not having any training in how to do the hardest thing in driving, imo anyway, turning right. So if i restrict all new car drivers to 50bhp and they can drive without any supervision that would make them safe?

To be fair, they do teach them those things and only give them the certificate if they deem them safe.

This, of course, is subjective to the instructor and hardly infallible.

MNuTz · 31 Mar 2007 at 22:45

chesterstu said:
so let me sum up the responses here. Having only ~13BHP makes up for having no idea what to do at round-a-bouts and unmarked crossroads. It also, makes up for not having any training in how to do the hardest thing in driving, imo anyway, turning right. So if i restrict all new car drivers to 50bhp and they can drive without any supervision that would make them safe?

Have you actually done a CBT? Doesnt sound like it!

Everything you have just said there is taught to you in your CBT. Not to mention that there is huge amount of safety advice given to you. I know when i did mine it was the look right, look left and then right again. Advice on gear to wear, helmet advice, they even advised the 50cc moped lads not to go onto a dual carriage way because it really wouldnt be safe for them.

chesterstu · 31 Mar 2007 at 22:48

MNuTz said:
Have you actually done a CBT? Doesnt sound like it!

Everything you have just said there is taught to you in your CBT. Not to mention that there is huge amount of safety advice given to you. I know when i did mine it was the look right, look left and then right again. Advice on gear to wear, helmet advice, they even advised the 50cc moped lads not to go onto a dual carriage way because it really wouldnt be safe for them.

so this can all be taught in 4hours rather than the 30hours it takes to learn to drive a car?

PardonTheWait · 31 Mar 2007 at 23:17

chesterstu said:
so this can all be taught in 4hours rather than the 30hours it takes to learn to drive a car?

Apparently so - you don't see an alarming amount of L plate bikers crashing.

PLUS the CBT and bike test are both being made about twice as hard in the next year or so, so the issue you're raising is being addressed.

Also don't forget there are people who take and pass car tests after just a few lessons too.

calnen · 31 Mar 2007 at 23:31

Mohinder said:
To be fair, they do teach them those things and only give them the certificate if they deem them safe.

This, of course, is subjective to the instructor and hardly infallible.

Read my post above

chesterstu · 1 Apr 2007 at 00:01

Mohinder said:
Apparently so - you don't see an alarming amount of L plate bikers crashing.

BS, TBQFH

Jonny ///M · 1 Apr 2007 at 03:24

Might be irrelevant to this thread but i was shocked today.

We were in the black car when i saw mr blue car pull out as the red car had just passed...the biker had to swerve to the other side of the road be cause some specky guy couldnt spot a huge big black biker guy :confused:

40mph and getting smashed into the side of wouldnt feel good i bet. :confused:

PardonTheWait · 1 Apr 2007 at 18:25

Jonny ///M said:
Might be irrelevant to this thread but i was shocked today.

We were in the black car when i saw mr blue car pull out as the red car had just passed...the biker had to swerve to the other side of the road be cause some specky guy couldnt spot a huge big black biker guy

40mph and getting smashed into the side of wouldnt feel good i bet.

If the bike was really that close to the red car it would have been his own fault.

Jonny ///M · 1 Apr 2007 at 19:19

Mohinder said:
If the bike was really that close to the red car it would have been his own fault.

He wasnt right on the guys bumper but wasnt exactly miles away either. Still just daft imo though.

Draeger · 1 Apr 2007 at 19:54

chesterstu said:
BS, TBQFH

I would disagree there.

The majority of bike accidents and fatalities I have attended are guys in their later years, the so called "born agains" who think that after riding around on an RD250 in their teens, can jump onto a Gixxer1000 or R1 and blat round the local roads at any pace they want to.

I've yet to attend a bike accident involving an "L" plated rider of a 100/125cc bike, although I agree that a lot of scooter riders come a cropper in minor incidents/collisions.

bam0 · 1 Apr 2007 at 20:44

chesterstu said:
When i learnt to drive a car, my first 2/3 lessons where about learning how to control the car the next 25 or so...

How many lessons?! :eek:

You can learn the theory for how to be safe, what to do in situations, etc, while not in the car (with a little practical reinforcement on the lessons maybe). I paid the instructor to teach me how to drive the vehicle, everything else you can learn elsewhere for free.

WantoN · 1 Apr 2007 at 22:03

The thing that shocks me most is that you had 27 lessons. So I'm assuming that's anywhere between 27 anf 54 hours.

I'm all for road safety, and think there are some truly appauling drivers out there. but I've never met anyone who's had that many hours... Fair play, I guess.

As to CBT, I suppose the problem is, if someone doesn't have a learners liscence, how do they learn, and how can you physically instruct someone on it...

Ant :cool:

chesterstu · 1 Apr 2007 at 22:05

Yeah, i had 27 hours so did most people i know