CCNA with Firebrand.

I'd stay there. We spent a lot of time working together outside the class too. They have a bar onsite and we would often go to the bar and work there (which was surprisingly effective!) grab a beer and site around quizzing each other.
Since we did spend 14hrs in a class room and then a few more hours going over stuff as well, I'd recommend being there.

Thanks for that, I think I'll ask my manager soon to see what she thinks. I'm really hoping I get the go ahead and that they'll pay towards it, if not the full cost. I imagine that way I wouldn't need to use a weeks holiday either, right?
 
Wyboston Lakes is about 2 miles from where I live. Would costs be cheaper if I didn't include meals/accommodation? Or would it just be worthwhile staying anyway just because there would be no need to get up and drive every morning?

I did my CISSP with them at Wyboston. You probably would get it cheaper by staying at home but the best part for me was the immersion. Getting away from everything else and just having the week to do nothing but concentrate on passing the exam was probably what got me through.
 
You don't need to pay for a training course for CCNA. Source your own material (books/videos/forums) and combine this with GNS3.


Have you got a CCNA? Is that the way you did it?


I'm currently more swayed towards the course because having someone to ask questions to and learn from would be a great help. Also physical plugging of cables and being about to see the router and work with it would be beneficial, no?
 
you are going to have to sit and read through those books in you own time anyway if you want to pass the CCNA - if the company pays for the course great but its not a magic pass through the exam.

In my opinion just buy the Cisco Press book and get reading - dont go to the course with no background if you do get the chance. I would plan to read the book (twice at least) do the course and take the exam. You also need to do some practial in there as well which can be done with GN3 if you have access to some IOS images - otherwise buy a couple of routers off ebay
 
you are going to have to sit and read through those books in you own time anyway if you want to pass the CCNA - if the company pays for the course great but its not a magic pass through the exam.

In my opinion just buy the Cisco Press book and get reading - dont go to the course with no background if you do get the chance. I would plan to read the book (twice at least) do the course and take the exam. You also need to do some practial in there as well which can be done with GN3 if you have access to some IOS images - otherwise buy a couple of routers off ebay

Would the CCNA 640-802 Official Cert Library book on the largest river in the world be acceptable?

Also what routers would you recommend as I'm not sure which the course lab uses.

Thanks for all the info so far. :)
 
Would the CCNA 640-802 Official Cert Library book on the largest river in the world be acceptable?

Also what routers would you recommend as I'm not sure which the course lab uses.

Thanks for all the info so far. :)
That's the one I bought, though I only need 1 of the books because I'm doing the ICND1/ICND2 method. Done the 1 which means you achieve the CCENT. Not had a look on the DVD yet, everyone will recommend different books though.. I also bought the Chris Bryant e-book as it was like £5 or something!

I imagine every course will use different routers, though it doesn't really matter I imagine. I bought 3 1760 routers + 4 WIC-1T (they run the latest IOS version) and 3 2950 switches (fine for the CCNA, but need layer 3 switches for the CCNP). Been fine so far. While you can use GNS3 for routing I wanted a lab ;)
Dashik on here also recently bought 2 2610XMs and 1 2620 router, which are also recommended.

The amount of equipment needed is optional though really. 3 routers is kind of a must, 2 just means they are directly connected and therefore routing protocols aren't really needed... and frame relay! I decided on the 3 switches for the sake of VTP,though I would say this isn't as important.
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As others have said though depending on how much you know already, the bootcamp courses might be too fast for you. A few books and some lab work and you will pass :)

EDIT: If you want to go down the self-study route I HIGHLY recommend the videos by CBT Nuggets. You need books as well as the videos, but they give you a great basic understanding. Entertaining while learning I find as well.
 
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Would the CCNA 640-802 Official Cert Library book on the largest river in the world be acceptable?

Also what routers would you recommend as I'm not sure which the course lab uses.

Thanks for all the info so far. :)

Yes buy the Official Certification Book for the exam you take as a must - the last time I spoke to Cisco regarding certs one answer I got back was that every question in the exam had the answer in that book even if it was just a note or a caveat, it would be in there - others choose to use books from other authors because sometimes the content is explained better but you take the chance that this source covers the whole syllabus. The best thing to do is buy a couple of different books - each author will cover a subject maybe from two view points, one of which may be easier for you to understand - I had this with IP subnetting - one book and I didnt have a clue but I read a second source and the method given to me twigged and from that point on was fairly easy. As for kit its been a while and am not up to speed with the current CCNA requirements - read the blueprint on the Cisco site and check out ebay for some kit (or do it all virtually in GNS3)
 
+1 to buying the book rather than spending £2000+ on the training.

With just £200 you could get yourself a small lab, one with enough features to get you through the CCNA.

You could even just read the book, and then rent some rack time. Obviously renting it means that you
don't have a permanent kit in your home, but you would probably be able to use much more up-to-date kit.

If you can get hold of some Cisco IOS images as said above, then you could use GNS3 to emulate the Cisco kit
(which is what I am doing for my CCNA/CCNP). Many people choose to get the IOS images illegally, though
obviously that is dangerous and frowned upon for good reason.

The only problem with GNS3 is that the switching capabilities are limited. Although, one of the big benefits
of GNS3 is that you can emulate your routers and connect them to real switches, even the internet/
virtual machines too!

The CBT Nuggets videos for Cisco that oli356 mentioned are most excellent, they even go
as far as the CCNP and CCIE certs. They are pretty expensive, but I have been able to
watch them for free (college paid for them :D). Would not hesitate to recommend them at all.



If you go down the book/home lab route, then post how much of a budget you think that
you'd have for kit. For the CCNA you could probably get 3 1720 routers and 3 2950 switches
from ebay with all the cables and bits needed for a little less than £200. If you have a
higher budget and are considering the CCNP after the CCNA, then it may be worth investing
in some more powerful kit, definitely needing a layer 3 switch and maybe 1 or 2 extra routers.
 
I would say just get some good books (such as the official cisco press CCNA books) and just get your hands on packet tracer. That is enough to cover the whole of the CCNA material without needing to buy any actual devices. I've recently passed my CCNA and did it mainly with the books I mentioned, packet tracer and the CBT nuggets videos, but the books and packet tracer on their own would have been sufficient.
 
As far as I know, Packet Tracer can only be obtained by Cisco Academy Students. So did you get it the naughty way?

I hope that's not the case. :p Especially since GNS3 is a much more powerful tool and someone who is willing
to get software via dodgy means (not saying that either of you are) might as well get real Cisco IOS images
and use GNS3 if simulating. I'm using it myself, I can even manage my emulated routers from my phone. :D
 
Does it really matter though if it doesn't run real IOS images.. Whatever it runs, it works well and at least for CCNA level as far as I know it does everything it needs to.
I have it installed (I am enrolled on the Academy until August of 2013 or something), got GNS3 as well, but using my real lab equipment. Will occasionally just load up packet tracer if I want to check a command really quickly.
 
I'm currently studying, but not on a cram course. Self learning using material, videos and labs. Think I am going to have to go down the two exam route with this one. Don't get me wrong I have knowledge of networks and Cisco networks, but I think it's the time and pressure thing

Iv never been good at the cram courses but ok when self learning and studying
 
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As far as I know, Packet Tracer can only be obtained by Cisco Academy Students. So did you get it the naughty way?

I hope that's not the case. :p Especially since GNS3 is a much more powerful tool and someone who is willing
to get software via dodgy means (not saying that either of you are) might as well get real Cisco IOS images
and use GNS3 if simulating. I'm using it myself, I can even manage my emulated routers from my phone. :D

I have a Cisco Academy account.

Packet tracer is great for CCNA level, you don't need the Cisco IOS, there is a huge range of access to troubleshooting and exercise packet tracer files to use in preparation for the exams, you can connect your lab setup to other peoples labs running somewhere else in the world, you can simulate http/ftp/dns/authentication/syslog servers, easy VOIP simulation and much more.
 
I know that it has its uses. I have access to it too and after trying GNS3, I haven't touched Packet Tracer since.

The OP probably doesn't have an Academy account right now, and I asked if he was considering the CCNP
after achieving the CCNA and he has not replied yet. GNS3 or real kit is the way to go for the CCNP imo.

GNS3 or real kit can be useful alongside other certs as well, which is why I mentioned them.

Don't worry - I do not hate PT. :p
 
For CCNP onwards I completely agree that real kit is the way to go, from my experience of both GNS3 and packet tracer though I found packet tracer and it's support/examples/sample exam situations were better for CCNA practice. And when it comes to having access to cisco academy or not, the same could also be said for having access to a legit copy of a cisco IOS file (and you would need to know about the IOS naming scheme to find out which one is needed).

Regardless of what people prefer to use, I think the most important thing in my opinion is that you do work through the CCNA topics on some form of simulator/emulator or real equipment. Trying to learn without actually entering the commands, playing around with the settings and such will not be as anywhere near as good a learning experience.

Now that I have my CCNA under my belt I'm personally going to start looking for some real kit when I start to move on to my CCNA:S and CCNP.
 
GNS3 is sufficient for the ROUTE exam (I passed with GNS3 alone) - but the SWITCH exam will require the purchase of one or two 3550 or 3560 L3 switches for labs.

Nate
 
Have you got a CCNA? Is that the way you did it?


I'm currently more swayed towards the course because having someone to ask questions to and learn from would be a great help. Also physical plugging of cables and being about to see the router and work with it would be beneficial, no?

Sure did, in fact I used it for most of my CCIE too - its just so convenient compared to going in to the lab. It does fall short in some layer 2 areas though, so having a basic home lab does not harm.

I would never advocate paying £1000s for an instructor led course.

If you want some more detailed advice or help along the way I'd be happy to spend some time on Skype :-)
 
Sure did, in fact I used it for most of my CCIE too - its just so convenient compared to going in to the lab. It does fall short in some layer 2 areas though, so having a basic home lab does not harm.

I would never advocate paying £1000s for an instructor led course.

If you want some more detailed advice or help along the way I'd be happy to spend some time on Skype :-)

That would be perfect. Really would! I've got my skype details added to my forum account so if you give me an add I'll accept if that's okay? :)


Thanks everyone for the advice so far. I've read into GNS3 and I think I'll download that and have a look before I get a kit.
 
If you get stuck with GNS3, you can post here or on the proper GNS3 forum.

Also check out techexams.net and certforums.com forums. Use them if you need help with anything, they have
their own Cisco sections and can prove handy if you're doing any certs (not just Cisco). :)
 
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