CH4, Dispatches - Lessons in Hate and Violence

Danthus · 15 Feb 2011 at 13:59

It seems a complaint to OfCom has been raised.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-12463479

JamesU2005 · 15 Feb 2011 at 14:01

Thank god for that, it was nearly 24 hours since the last Muslim hate thread was created :rolleyes:

eddiemcgarrigle · 15 Feb 2011 at 14:05

Having watched the programme, it does look very iffy if 'guest speakers' are preaching aginst every other religion and claiming it to be inferior. Why do Muslim parents send their kids to schools such as these if they hold differing views? There may be trouble ahead .......

Danthus · 15 Feb 2011 at 14:35

JamesU2005 said:
Thank god for that, it was nearly 24 hours since the last Muslim hate thread was created

Why is this a Muslim hate thread?

The Running Man · 15 Feb 2011 at 15:21

buchtis said:
Isn't this normal behaviour for Muslims?

In this country, yes.

In Islamic countries, yes but worse.

Are future British Muslims going to want to integrate if they are told that everyone outside of their belief structure is inferior. No.

That is why I have said that the west is incompatible with Islam.

Not only do we offer toleration for other religions we accept them. Muslims can barely bring themselves to tolerate us, let alone accept the laws of our land or respecting western culture or religious varieties other than their own.

They barely respect their own women let alone western women and you can quote me on that.

sigma · 15 Feb 2011 at 15:41

Nickg said:
stuff

Have you ever actually met a Muslim person?

The Running Man · 15 Feb 2011 at 15:46

Yes have you?

sigma · 15 Feb 2011 at 15:50

Yeah I have and none of what you have said applied to any of them. But of course, go ahead and tar everyone with the same brush.

The Running Man · 15 Feb 2011 at 15:59

Odd if you Google women abuse and Pakistan or Iran you will get many returns. None happy of course.

Anyway if imtiaz quadir says that honour crimes happen a lot especially in the Pakistani community in the uk, I'm sure he is wrong and has never met a Muslim before, right?

sigma · 15 Feb 2011 at 16:02

Nickg said:
Odd if you Google women abuse and Pakistan or Iran you will get many returns.

Using that logic, all British people are alcoholics.

I still don't know how that makes you able to say such things as:

Nickg said:
Muslims can barely bring themselves to tolerate us, let alone accept the laws of our land or respecting western culture or religious varieties other than their own.

They barely respect their own women let alone western women and you can quote me on that.

I think that says more about you than Muslims.

deuse · 15 Feb 2011 at 16:04

MrLOL said:
and that never happens in catholic schools does it..

Oh wait a minute ...

I never saw any teacher BULLY..KICK..SLAP a child in my catholic school and most of family went to catholic schools.
If I did I would have told my grandfather asap.

The Running Man · 15 Feb 2011 at 16:05

Its under discussed in the uk but the example from Germany applies here too,

http://www.hvk.org/articles/0509/43.html

Muslim women deprived of education

http://themoderntokyotimes.wordpres...-sunni-islamists-attack-females-for-studying/

Next apologist please.

The Running Man · 15 Feb 2011 at 16:13

sigma said:
Using that logic, all British people are alcoholics.

I still don't know how that makes you able to say such things as:

I think that says more about you than Muslims.

We do have a cultural binge drink problem. This is obvious, to solve it you must first accept it. Hence we have addressed this in schools and with pub open times and taxation to reduce the problem. Not that everyone is alcoholic but we recognized and try to address the issue.

By pretending that the issue isn't prevelant stops it from being fixed.

Taking your PC line ignores these issues and will also stop them from being addressed.

sigma · 15 Feb 2011 at 16:32

Nickg said:
By pretending that the issue isn't prevelant stops it from being fixed.

Taking your PC line ignores these issues and will also stop them from being addressed.

How am I ignoring them? :confused:

If anything, this thread has shown that it is starting to be noticed and acted upon.

You're jumping to conclusions, in the same fashion that you're assuming all Muslims are the same.

I can see this going round and round in circles, so i'll leave you to it and let you continue with your hatred.

kidkhaos · 15 Feb 2011 at 16:38

Nickg said:
Taking your PC line ignores these issues and will also stop them from being addressed.

Are these issue that have to be addressed? Yes they are no one is disagreeing with that. However....

Nickg said:
Not only do we offer toleration for other religions we accept them. Muslims can barely bring themselves to tolerate us, let alone accept the laws of our land or respecting western culture or religious varieties other than their own.

They barely respect their own women let alone western women and you can quote me on that.

As a muslim i feel your talking a load of crap. I'm 100% sure i know WAYYYYYY more muslims then you, although a few are ***** the VAST majority aren't. The problem is you dont know many muslims and such get your information from the media who report bad news and therefore you only see the bad sides.

RDM · 15 Feb 2011 at 16:45

sigma said:
How am I ignoring them? If anything, this thread has shown that it is starting to be noticed and acted upon.

To be fair a couple of the muslim repsonses to this thread did sound a little "head in sand" don't you think?

For example:

trigger-happy said:
anyways, only the parents can hit the kids. Not the teachers.

\thread

Completely ignoring the fact that it was actually a teacher, a nice standard "No problem here repsonse". Not to mention I would be pretty much against a parent kicking their child too...

Hikari Kisugi said:
Watched that fool of a teacher controlling the class, yes he struck them 10 times in 2 days, on no occasion did it look to hurt, and at absolutely no time did he look to be remotely in control of the class.
Kids got much worse beatings in every school up and down the country 20 years ago.
As my father said, he would have done better to sit in the coner and cover his eyes and ears, utterly poor control.

See? Not a problem, much worse happened up and down the country 20 years ago by all accounts (odd, I don't recall getting kicked in school by a teacher...)

trigger-happy said:
This type of discipline is familiar to all of Asia including the Middle-East. You guys should not been surprised.

I obviously condemn this type of discipline since I was brought up in a non-religious schoolbut just look how they are disciplined, none of them argue back or start any type of anti-social behaviour like you see in many schools today.

I quite like the bit in bold, a good kicking obviously does them good eh?

The Running Man · 15 Feb 2011 at 16:45

I don't understand which part you disagree with? The tolerance bit or the sexism part? If you tighten your answer I can counter it much more succinctly.

kidkhaos · 15 Feb 2011 at 17:13

What i am saying is yes there are issues mostly in other (backwards tbh) countries. However its not as widespread in the UK as you claim. Majority of muslims in this country just get on with life, thoses are the people you dont hear about.

guyfawkes5 · 15 Feb 2011 at 17:21

Are Islamophobes now outnumbered by over-zealous apologists?

Has the balance of power shifted in GD?

CONVENE THE COUNCIL

The Running Man · 15 Feb 2011 at 17:25

kidkhaos said:
What i am saying is yes there are issues mostly in other (backwards tbh) countries. However its not as widespread in the UK as you claim. Majority of muslims in this country just get on with life, thoses are the people you dont hear about.

But aren't our Asian Muslims from these 'backward' countries as you put it? Doesn't the culture overlap hence me referencing imtiaz quadir and his quote which in its purest first is vigilantism on a sexist platform?

If the Muslim youth is being actively thought in school and at mosque that Islam is basically 'uber alles' and that all other non radical people are inferior then whilsty they may not convey this outwardly they still might believe it.

I mean calls for sharia law and for halal law special treatment are blatant examples of intolerance for uk law and culture? We don't live in a backward nation but many uk Muslims seem determined to turn us into one.