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Changing 8800gt into quadro fx 3700.

Hi guys,

I'm really excited by the prospect of this hack. I ordered a 9800GT to convert to a FX3700. It turns out that it's the 55nm 9800GT, according to Nibitor. However, no matter what I set the device identification ID and subsystem ID to in the BIOS, it always recognizes that it's a 9800GT. I can't even disguise it as an 8800GT! What am I doing wrong? Help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Well first off, I would recommend forgetting Nibitor for the most part, I believe somewhere on this thread is a link for a prepared BIOS for getting a 3700, from a person known as AquaMac, he modded some bios files and they work pretty decently, my fan is 100% all the time but... Oh well... But DL that file and flash that one onto your card. Also, I know for a fact (I tried it) the 1GB versions dont work... Only the 512mb kind do...

Side note;
Jon, the aforementioned AquaMac does have 2 3700's in SLI, What they wont do is multi-OS SLI...(I will soon find out... New mobo purchased (now Ill support SLI) and a i7 soon to come) Some searching will turn up a thread on a Mac forum where he posted pics of his SLI'ing... Not sure what OS he's running though, I think it was OSX or something from the looks of it, unless he has Deskscape or something...

Also, you said you were working on a gearbox, and your PC isn't running it too well? Id be interested to see your work, as Im working on a 6-speed sequential... :)

- Maynard
 
@moose, flashing to the one aquamac seems the most successful approach. I'm not sure what he did, but while I've had luck going from my evga bios, not many other people have.

That's interesting. Nvidia don't mark the fx3700 as being able to do sli. I very much look forward to your results.

There's a 280gtx on sale which I'm very, very tempted by. Not sure it's the best place to drop £180 but I do want a toy to play with. Still no sign of an fx5800 bios online, I'm going to see if the uni has one I could borrow. Might be a tricky conversation.

The gearbox was a mess in the end. I'd be ashamed to publish it, but thankfully it was coursework rather than employment related and no one will die as a result. The design called for, against all reason, a chain driven lay shaft and spur gears. Only meant to cope with forward and partial speed reverse, changing from one to the other achieved by forcing the spurs into and out of contact. These parts of the design I was not allowed to change, since it's a learning exercise. It would sound terrible and perform pretty badly were it manufactured, wear and tear on the spurs would be terrible.

The part my computer really couldn't cope with was the chain. Tried a few ways of modelling it, and the result was invariably single figure frame rates and occasional grinding to a halt. Too many calculations by far I think.

Some results. 8800gt at 725/997/1806, ram at 1600 c8, processor at 200x20 got me:

f0ois6.jpg


at what I now know to be the standard resolution such things are run at.

Previous best, but at 1600x1200
fx3700 750mhz core
3dsmax-04 15.48
catia-02 14.05
ensight-03 21.96
maya-02 42.11
proe-04 14.32
sw-01 29.01
tcvis-01 8.69
ugnx-01 6.24
 
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@ Jon,

Chain driven lay shaft you say... Interesting approach... I have modeled any chains yet, but I'll need to eventually for my engine design... I'll see if I cam find that thread and get a link for you to take a peek at for the SLI part...

Ok I got it...

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t134631.html

He mentioned he had a couple of cars and trying to turn them into some 3700's... Basically plural talk...

Maybe just a Mac ability? Let me know what you think...

-Maynard
 
Just going to throw my 2 cents in here, as I haven't seen this posted in this thread yet.

The 9800GX2 isn't based on 2x 8800GT's, it's based on 2 underclocked G92 8800GTS's (difference other than clock speed is 8800GT = 112 SP and 8800GTS = 128 SP). So trying to use the fx3700 bios (or 2 of them) won't work, we have to find an official FX4700 X2 bios or find out what we need to edit.

I too have an old 9800GX2 sitting around collecting dust that I'd like to turn into an FX4700X2, but I haven't been successful in finding a correct bios to flash with.

Also, there is a bios database over at techpowerup that should be helpful for those looking for some more obscure cards (including Quadro), but sadly the FX4700X2 isn't on the list.

http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/
 
Dangerous,

You may want to tell us a little more of your situation. What card you have, or what exactly are you trying to do... If anything sometimes Nibitor isn't 100% perfect with a lot of thing with a variety of cards, so let us know and we'll try to help.
 
Not quite sure if it really worked, but i managed to use Rivatuner from the techart guide and make my 8800gtx 768mb become a quadro fx 4600.

Used rivatuner to change all the settings and uninstalled nvidia drivers, restarted and then windows 7 64bit RC dedected a new graphics card and it turned out to be the FX4600, then installed the quadro drivers from the nvidia website.

Im a main user of NX with rendering mainly( but i read somewhere render speed isnt improved by quadro cards) and i seem to think that its a bit faster switching between models, changing views and entering exiting sketches etc..

So the 8800 works (unless rivatuner hasnt really changed anything but is lying as gpu-z says it is a quadro 4600) without hard modding the bios in the graphics card :D
 
That's very interesting daelo. I had no luck at all getting the 8800gt to work without messing around with nibitor, did you do anything different to the published guide?

If you run the specviewperf benchmark with each set of drivers and see a big difference, then you're a happy man and so am I. NX doesn't seem to improve much for me so it may be hard to see the difference/not worth doing, I suppose it's a shame we're not working with maya.

I do wonder where aquamac is getting his information from. However, copied from the above link in the hopes that it'll help one of us,

Device id's for current crop of top GeForce/Quadro Cards;

0x05E1, GeForce GTX 280

0x05E2, GeForce GTX 260

0x05E3, GeForce GTX 285

0x05FD, Quadro FX 5800

0x05FE, Quadro FX 4800

0x05F9, Quadro CX"

Sadly it's with a 512 and a 1024mb card, not sli. I think you noticed this in the edit.

@Sykez, welcome to the forums :)
As it happens we have run into this problem, and don't have a solution. The consensus was that we would really like to find a FX4700x2 bios to work from, and none of us have any ideas where. The above by daelo suggests a software route may be viable again, which is very interesting if so.
 
Right i will do that benchmark with specviewperf with the two different drivers 2morrow and see if i notice the differences, would do it today but i have a terrible cold which i thought i got over but it then came back to haunt me once again :( lol

If i dont notice any difference it could be because rivatuner did not really work and i shall try and use nibitor to do a flash to see if it makes a difference that way.

An i think i followed techart guide pretty much, wasnt too much hassle pretty straight forward, well let you know :)
 
Regarding the question of whether this process produces a card that matches an original quadro, the answer appears to be no. Based upon this link featuring an fx3700, as mentioned in this thread by lsg1r. I'll quote his reply in its entirety as it is rather relavent to this thread:

No doubt. However some fraction of the performance improvement between geforce and quadro is tied to the drivers. What said fraction happens to be is harder to judge, I don't suppose you have a fx3700 on an i7 motherboard that you could run a benchmark through?

thats more likely down to the fact that a workstation gpu driver is focused on work software rather than games and as such is more highly focused on delivering the highest quality performance in set environments rather than x number of games. It's only reasonable that a gpu used for work has drivers which are better suited to that task than those from a gpu aimed at games.
And no I haven't got a quadro fx3700 + i7 to benchmark or similar at present, my x2's wouldn't be a fair test.
What I can say with confidence is that benchmarks in maya, pro engineer etc show considerable improvements with the quadro drivers relative to the geforce ones. I can also offer the subjective opinion that it's nicer to work with when using the quadro drivers, and seems to cope with more complex models before grinding to a halt.
Like I said benchmarks mean squat, they're only useful for comparing like for like models in a range, you can't compare with last gen etc.
How much of your subjective opinion is down to the fact that you 'believe' it is faster due to the softmod.
Considering all 'benchmarks' I've seen for a softmod versus a full quadro show that the quadro is usually still twice as fast as the geforce with a softmod just proves to me you can't make a geforce into a quadro (you could with a gf6 series).
You've also got the possibility of additional issues being introduced as a geforce has like I said cut pathways compared with a quadro fx.


edit: fx3700 benchmark using a c2q (so slower) cpu is here - link
fx1800 (newer but 1 down pecking order) benchmark using i7 870 is here - link
your link shows sw01 as 39.42, these show 98.54 (fx3700) and 131.68 (fx1800) respectively


In conclusion this process still improves performance on geforce cards, but not to the same extent as can be achieved using a quadro. Given the price difference I think this remains worthwhile, though obviously not as attractive as before.
 
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Hardwired Device ID's

Hi All and Merry festive season to everyone!

I have been hanging around reading for a week and then its taken two days to be validated so i can post!

I have an old 7600GT that with RivaTuner and Bootstrap now belives it is an FX560. I use Solidworks a little bit but I am not modelling anything complicated. However its always nice to know how to get the power for free as it were.

I see that there have been difficulties changing devide ID's to the correct figure, I just wanted to direct you to this thread incase you havent seen it:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=294508
Between the work here and that thread it may shed a little more light into modding the later cards. I guess uising a hardmod, nibitor and a bios it may all be possible....

Not quite sure if it really worked, but i managed to use Rivatuner from the techart guide and make my 8800gtx 768mb become a quadro fx 4600.

Used rivatuner to change all the settings and uninstalled nvidia drivers, restarted and then windows 7 64bit RC dedected a new graphics card and it turned out to be the FX4600, then installed the quadro drivers from the nvidia website.

Im a main user of NX with rendering mainly( but i read somewhere render speed isnt improved by quadro cards) and i seem to think that its a bit faster switching between models, changing views and entering exiting sketches etc..

So the 8800 works (unless rivatuner hasnt really changed anything but is lying as gpu-z says it is a quadro 4600) without hard modding the bios in the graphics card :D

I think that this has worked, in as much as it does - that card is a G80 model so its an easy card to trick. All the cards up to G80's are, its from the G92 onwards that requires flashing etc.

Best Wishes to all.
 
AUTOCAD 3 3DSMAX

I have upgrade my GT8800 in a Quadro FX3700 with your bios, and all is okay (sametime Rhino have problem of visualizzation, and I don't now if it's really more faster), but the realy problem is thet I can't install driver for autocad or 3dsmax because the driver recognizes thet the videocard is not a Quadra. Someone has solved the problem?
 
Is there still any point in all this ?

From what I understand all 200 series and up now support CUDA and all the features of quadro cards as standard ?

If not, is there a quadro equivalent of a 260 gtx (216 sp) ?

I have to use 3dsMax for uni next year :)

Also if it helps I can get hold of loads of different quadro bios', if someone tells me how to do it with a usb pen drive I can host them for you.
 
Driver for autocad e 3dsmax

Sameone help me with this driver. I have a gt800 patch to quadra FX3700 and when I install driver for Autocad or £dsmax they don't recognizes the Quadra, Thenks
 
ALMOST successful with teh Bios Flash 8800GT to FX3700..one little snag..

HI
stumbled across this thread after realising my G92 8800GT couldnt be softmodded to Quadro with Rivatuner.

Great I thought...and I followed the instructions and used the original Bios files JohnJ had posted.

Rebooted, card read as Quadro FX3700 - great! :)


But in both RivaTuner and Nvidia control panel....the Workstation/Professional tabs are greyed out..kinda suggesting my card ISNT CAPABLE (even after flashing) of Quadro functionality..

bummer...

any ideas chaps?
Anyone in a similar boat?
I loaded theNvidia Quadro drivers and loaded up the control panel only to find the"Workstation" tab was not there....and the control panel only shows what your card is capable of.

Help!
I do 3D animation/Cad and have been finding my really big models struggling in viewports with the 8800GT, nd thought "Id won the lottery" :p when theflash looked as thogh it had worked!

Thanks for any feedback.
 
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