Cheap IPS Freesync 27": Dell SE2717H or LG 27MP59G-P ?

Hello All.

This thread has been very informative and helped push me to choose this monitor (SE2717H). I just got mine today and have started using it.

Colors are great.

However, I was hoping to get your opinion if what I'm seeing is IPS glow or backlight bleed (if I should try to return it and get a new unit)
YEP2n+
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Thanks in advance
 
Vyper_@ said:
Hello All.

This thread has been very informative and helped push me to choose this monitor (SE2717H). I just got mine today and have started using it.

Colors are great.

However, I was hoping to get your opinion if what I'm seeing is IPS glow or backlight bleed (if I should try to return it and get a new unit)
YEP2n+
_GWIP+
upD-R+


Thanks in advance
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Sorry but I can't see the link to the image, can you paste the url?
 
Vyper_@ said:
Sorry about that - trying links again:

(images that look slanted were taken on different angles to see differences from head on)

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That yellow Bottom right corner is definately backlight bleed. And if in real life it really looks that yellow it should be very distracting. Do you notice it while watching movies or dark scenes on video games?

I also experienced a very small bit of backlight bleed on the exact bottom right corner but frankly, it doesn't apear to be nowehere near as yellow and i managed to aliveate it a lot.

Tip: maybe you know this, but you can actually reduce backlight bleed by "massaging" the area. It might sound weird but in my case, I slightly rotated the panel towards the right (pushing it down) and it helped enough to the point that i never notice it. I actually tried a very thin piece of paper on the bottom right corner and I think it helped too, although I can't tell because it got stuck in there and i can't remove it LOL. At 100% brightness though, depending on the angle i might see IPS glow, its unavoidable, but I max my monitor at 70%

TL DR:
If it's that yellow:
a) try to fix it by massaging or using thin paper that you can remove (in case you want to return)
b) if you cant fix it return

Maybe Adam could share his insight on your backlight bleed. My monitor looks pretty different like your does.
 
NateCordova said:
That yellow Bottom right corner is definately backlight bleed. And if in real life it really looks that yellow it should be very distracting. Do you notice it while watching movies or dark scenes on video games?

I also experienced a very small bit of backlight bleed on the exact bottom right corner but frankly, it doesn't apear to be nowehere near as yellow and i managed to aliveate it a lot.

Tip: maybe you know this, but you can actually reduce backlight bleed by "massaging" the area. It might sound weird but in my case, I slightly rotated the panel towards the right (pushing it down) and it helped enough to the point that i never notice it. I actually tried a very thin piece of paper on the bottom right corner and I think it helped too, although I can't tell because it got stuck in there and i can't remove it LOL. At 100% brightness though, depending on the angle i might see IPS glow, its unavoidable, but I max my monitor at 70%

TL DR:
If it's that yellow:
a) try to fix it by massaging or using thin paper that you can remove (in case you want to return)
b) if you cant fix it return

Maybe Adam could share his insight on your backlight bleed. My monitor looks pretty different like your does.
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The bottom right is indeed noticeable when watching dark movies (or when the player has black strips at the bottom). It looks worse though when I take a picture. Viewing with my eyes in completely dark room, it is less intense.

Thanks for letting me know you think its backlight bleed - now at least I know I can try stuff: will try out the massage thing (will research more on how it's done) thanks for the tip. I read somewhere that if brightness is ZERO and the problem exists then it is IPS glow [dont know how accurate that method is though]

Here are some pix with the thin paper method.

 
NateCordova said:
Yeah there seems to be stuttering 2-4 fps from freesync range here as well. Thats why 52 fps feels choppy on stock 48-75. Maybe its due to this monitor beeing one of the first with HDMI freesync

Why dont you try simply increasing the minimum frame by frame from 36fps? The other guy on that forum with a dell se2717H only managed 38-60hz so maybe I got a bit lucky on my panel? Try something like 37, 38, 39 etc. I also used CRU 1.39 beta, but I dont believe that its the reason for hitting a stable 36-60 rather than a narrower range.

PS: dont know if ive told you but i frame cap my games to 2 fps below max refresh rate (58 fps here) using msi afterburner (ive seen a video that concluded that frame capping with amd software added like 12ms of input lag but with afterburner only like 4ms). With a framecap 2 fps below freesync range, you get the best of both worlds: no tearing or lag.

PSS: New Vegas is a hell of a great game, I loved how you could literally kill EVERYBODY or EVERYTHING on the game, made some hilarious moments there. Also the Sierra Madre DLC is just frightening in such a good way. Ill never forget Sierra Madre, it was an experience that really made an impression on me, which is kind of hard to do as im the later part of the 20s and I feel gaming starting to wear off a bit. In comparison, i never made it past 4 hours on fallout3, its just feels empty
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Hello! I'm back! I've had the old LG monitor sitting on my desk (switched off) beside the Dell since my last post, haha. It's been my to do list reminder to go back and test the freesync ranges on it. Today is that day! Using CRU 1.3.1 I managed to go as low as 24-60 (which would have meant LFC was auto enabled), and it worked in pendulum demo slowly reducing the custom framerate down to 26 when the screen went black and I hit F8 so I didn't do any damage. So close... If it worked I was tempted to give it another try as main monitor! However when testing, I noticed that after setting the minimum to 29 or less, there would be a black screen flash when the pendulum frame rate went that low and each step lower - so in game, if the framerate went that low, a blackscreen flash would be far worse that just stuttering, making 30 the effective minimum for the LG with the max of 60. I am yet to try out the 75hz max, but I believe someone already tried that and only managed as low as 36 or 38. Still, I'll give it a go in case this is a freak monitor.

quick edit: I noticed almost no stuttering when stepping down to the minimum number with the LG, and only stuttered when the min was hit (though strangely with the pendulum demo, when you type 30min, it shows actual 29.99etc). When rising back up from the minimum one digit at a time the stutter remained until 2-4 above minimum - so it might just be something else.

However I did find this post (#103) from Peter Nixeus a freesync testing engineer which should prove as a warning to us when pushing boundaries too far...
http://www.overclock.net/forum/44-m...-can-enlarge-hz-range-simple-hack-11.html#103

Also, I never went back to my custom freesync range on the Dell and have been happily playing at 48-60 for the last 4 months or so. I didn't notice the difference down from 75-60, but did still notice stuttering when dropping to 48, so once I'm done with all this, I should go back to 38/40-60

Back soon with the 30-75 range test results!

update: Finished testing the LG 75hz range - It turns out I had left the monitor set to 75hz max in display properties and had just set the freesync range to 60... Which may mean that it could go lower - will have to re-test.

Otherwise, with the max freesync range set to 75hz, I was able to set the monitor to 30-75 and pendulum ran, however when lowering the framerate to 33 there was a blackscreen flash, and at 32 it went black.

Plugging the Dell back in, I quickly tested it in the 75hz range, and was able to set 40-75, however stepping framerate in pendulum down to 42, it went straight to black screen with the monitor error message popping up. Which goes to prove that the hz setting in display properties does have an effect on the minimum freesync range achievable. Going back to 60hz on the Dell monitor, I was able to set 40-60 with everything working perfectly and only stuttering when reaching 40 (where pendulum showed 39.9xxx)

Back to testing the LG in 60hz mode

update 2:
Turns out the selected hz in the display settings doesn't make any difference - it's simply just the range. Setting the LG to 60hz and trying the same test again gave the same results - black screen flashes at and below 29fps. Something I did discover though - is a noticeable change in sharpness between selecting 60hz and 75hz in display settings - on both monitors, with 75hz being slightly sharper. I noticed when looking at a desktop icon when the screen flashed black to update the setting. It also made the LG screen a little less harsh to look at, and even made the 0 brightness setting a little easier on the eyes. For now I'm sticking with the Dell, but might give the LG another try sometime as the range for 60hz was 30-60, as opposed to 36/38-60 for the Dell.

Hope this is all helpful to someone out there on the net!

Cheers!
-Adam
 
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Just seen this screen on offer and thinking of pulling the trigger.

Has anyone used it with an Xbox S?

Wont be used for antyhing else really.

THanks
ANdy
 
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