China and the Philippines - water cannon attacks

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It's pretty common knowledge that China claim a lot of the South China Sea but I hadn't realised how much things were heating up in that area. China actively being the bully in that area, probably thanks to all the other events in Eastern Europe and M.E. taking the attention away from them. It's not been getting much coverage in the West but Washington Post seem to be on top of it.

Most recent altercation:



Another previous water cannon from onboard the Phillipines vessel demonstrating how powerful they are against the crew:



Map of the 9-dash line (now 10) shows how ridiculous China's territorial claim is.

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It all seems rather messy and despite the 1951 U.S.-Philippines Mutual Defense Treaty, China can get away with a lot before that is activated.
 
China doesn’t want US getting involved in South China Sea anymore than they want them involved in the North Atlantic, basically. And so they claim it all, build artificial islands full of military hardware, runways, SAMs. As for the other countries….well.
 
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US military bases around China, you'll note these bases are so far away from the US that the Continental United States isn't even visible on the map. China is going to be consistently painted as the aggressor in the media, but why does the US need to take this approach towards China, a country that was last involved in an armed conflict in 1979?
 
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Whats the problem? They want to put a base somewhere. The country accepts. No big deal.

China are basically claiming half the sea, which no one excepts them understands. Thats the big deal. Your point is... pointless.
 
Goksly said:
Whats the problem? They want to put a base somewhere. The country accepts. No big deal.

China are basically claiming half the sea, which no one excepts them understands. Thats the big deal. Your point is... pointless.
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I think ultimately if China feel threatened by the US's military presence in the region they will take steps to ensure their trade routes are secure. It's likely China wouldn't have taken these aggressive steps in the South China Sea if the US Navy wasn't actively encircling them, and given China hasn't attacked anyone or been involved in any armed conflicts in about 50 years - there's not really a legitimate reason for the level of military presence the US has in the region.

The US and the West seem to be very good at provoking countries and then painting them as the aggressor.
 
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Roar87 said:
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US military bases around China, you'll note these bases are so far away from the US that the Continental United States isn't even visible on the map. China is going to be consistently painted as the aggressor in the media, but why does the US need to take this approach towards China, a country that was last involved in an armed conflict in 1979?
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A) What's this then:

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B) Is that supposed to prove something? It's a map which has been zoomed & cropped specifically to prove the point the creator thinks they are trying to make (and failing miserably). Only a drunken 2 year old with brain damage would fail to recognise that for what it is. -1/10, must try harder :rolleyes:
 
Roar87 said:
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US military bases around China, you'll note these bases are so far away from the US that the Continental United States isn't even visible on the map. China is going to be consistently painted as the aggressor in the media, but why does the US need to take this approach towards China, a country that was last involved in an armed conflict in 1979?
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The US has bases on allied countries. China is goose stepping across international law to lay claim to territory that isn't theirs to claim. It's a massive difference.
 
Haggisman said:
A) What's this then:

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B) Is that supposed to prove something? It's a map which has been zoomed & cropped specifically to prove the point the creator thinks they are trying to make (and failing miserably). Only a drunken 2 year old with brain damage would fail to recognise that for what it is. -1/10, must try harder :rolleyes:
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I stand corrected, that's California, failure on my part to check the map properly as I thought it might be Alaska.

On your other points though, it's a map of US military bases, what are you disputing? You've not actually made or refuted a single point.

Bluecube said:
The US has bases on allied countries. China is goose stepping across international law to lay claim to territory that isn't theirs to claim. It's a massive difference.
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I'm not disputing what the international laws are, I just think you'll find that if countries feel their sovereignty and security is threatened, international laws will quickly go out of the window. Israel being a good example of this.
 
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Roar87 said:
US military bases around China, you'll note these bases are so far away from the US that the Continental United States isn't even visible on the map.
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grow up and zoom out your map maybe?
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China is going to be consistently painted as the aggressor in the media
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which she most certainly is, no need to paint anything
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but why does the US need to take this approach towards China, a country that was last involved in an armed conflict in 1979?
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what approach? having airfields on friendly soil?
 
thought the china europe railway was now taking a lot of trade away from sea and puts UK to shame;
Didn't really understand their $140b gold reserves announced this week, as being indicative that taiwan attack was more likely - currency protection ?
 
IIRC the Chinese navy at the moment is mainly "coastal", they have little capacity for deep water operations, and their aircraft carriers for example are currently not working out very well.

If they start messing around it won't just be the US ship builders, it'll likely be the South Koreans etc who have a vested interest in making sure the waterways stay open and clear.
 
Roar87 said:
US military bases around China, you'll note these bases are so far away from the US that the Continental United States isn't even visible on the map. China is going to be consistently painted as the aggressor in the media, but why does the US need to take this approach towards China, a country that was last involved in an armed conflict in 1979?
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The SE Asian countries are scared of China and invited the US to help them defend their independence. Much like Eastern European countries wanting to join NATO for protection against Russia. International law allows countries to determine their own security arrangements.
 
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