China and the Philippines - water cannon attacks

[Chojin]

It's pretty common knowledge that China claim a lot of the South China Sea but I hadn't realised how much things were heating up in that area. China actively being the bully in that area, probably thanks to all the other events in Eastern Europe and M.E. taking the attention away from them. It's not been getting much coverage in the West but Washington Post seem to be on top of it.

Most recent altercation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/30/philippines-disputed-shoal-south-china-sea-scarborough/eaa25e88-06e9-11ef-b60b-a512fc749f9b_story.html

Another previous water cannon from onboard the Phillipines vessel demonstrating how powerful they are against the crew:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1772218052828188897

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/26/asias-next-war-could-be-triggered-by-rusting-warship-disputed-reef/

Map of the 9-dash line (now 10) shows how ridiculous China's territorial claim is.

It all seems rather messy and despite the 1951 U.S.-Philippines Mutual Defense Treaty, China can get away with a lot before that is activated.

 

[delta0]

What they think that’s ok I’m not sure. Do that against a US ship and you will get a lump of lead back.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

oh no people on ships are getting wet.

 

[visibleman]

oh no people on ships are getting wet.

Interesting take you've got there considering the damage to vessels and injuries occurring because of the water cannons...

 

[Hotwired]

Hah, claiming the islands all the way down to malaysia. Yeah sure.

 

[Ali195]

China doesn’t want US getting involved in South China Sea anymore than they want them involved in the North Atlantic, basically. And so they claim it all, build artificial islands full of military hardware, runways, SAMs. As for the other countries….well.

 

[Roar87]

US military bases around China, you'll note these bases are so far away from the US that the Continental United States isn't even visible on the map. China is going to be consistently painted as the aggressor in the media, but why does the US need to take this approach towards China, a country that was last involved in an armed conflict in 1979?

 

[Goksly]

Whats the problem? They want to put a base somewhere. The country accepts. No big deal.

China are basically claiming half the sea, which no one excepts them understands. Thats the big deal. Your point is... pointless.

 

[Roar87]

Whats the problem? They want to put a base somewhere. The country accepts. No big deal.

China are basically claiming half the sea, which no one excepts them understands. Thats the big deal. Your point is... pointless.

I think ultimately if China feel threatened by the US's military presence in the region they will take steps to ensure their trade routes are secure. It's likely China wouldn't have taken these aggressive steps in the South China Sea if the US Navy wasn't actively encircling them, and given China hasn't attacked anyone or been involved in any armed conflicts in about 50 years - there's not really a legitimate reason for the level of military presence the US has in the region.

The US and the West seem to be very good at provoking countries and then painting them as the aggressor.

 

[Haggisman]

US military bases around China, you'll note these bases are so far away from the US that the Continental United States isn't even visible on the map. China is going to be consistently painted as the aggressor in the media, but why does the US need to take this approach towards China, a country that was last involved in an armed conflict in 1979?

A) What's this then:

B) Is that supposed to prove something? It's a map which has been zoomed & cropped specifically to prove the point the creator thinks they are trying to make (and failing miserably). Only a drunken 2 year old with brain damage would fail to recognise that for what it is. -1/10, must try harder

 

[Bluecube]

US military bases around China, you'll note these bases are so far away from the US that the Continental United States isn't even visible on the map. China is going to be consistently painted as the aggressor in the media, but why does the US need to take this approach towards China, a country that was last involved in an armed conflict in 1979?

The US has bases on allied countries. China is goose stepping across international law to lay claim to territory that isn't theirs to claim. It's a massive difference.

 

[Roar87]

A) What's this then:

B) Is that supposed to prove something? It's a map which has been zoomed & cropped specifically to prove the point the creator thinks they are trying to make (and failing miserably). Only a drunken 2 year old with brain damage would fail to recognise that for what it is. -1/10, must try harder

I stand corrected, that's California, failure on my part to check the map properly as I thought it might be Alaska.

On your other points though, it's a map of US military bases, what are you disputing? You've not actually made or refuted a single point.

The US has bases on allied countries. China is goose stepping across international law to lay claim to territory that isn't theirs to claim. It's a massive difference.

I'm not disputing what the international laws are, I just think you'll find that if countries feel their sovereignty and security is threatened, international laws will quickly go out of the window. Israel being a good example of this.

 

[Bluecube]

China hasn't attacked anyone

I'm sure the sailors on the Philippine boats would disagree with you.

 

[Thekwango]

US military bases around China, you'll note these bases are so far away from the US that the Continental United States isn't even visible on the map.

grow up and zoom out your map maybe?

China is going to be consistently painted as the aggressor in the media

which she most certainly is, no need to paint anything

but why does the US need to take this approach towards China, a country that was last involved in an armed conflict in 1979?

what approach? having airfields on friendly soil?

 

[jpaul]

thought the china europe railway was now taking a lot of trade away from sea and puts UK to shame;
Didn't really understand their $140b gold reserves announced this week, as being indicative that taiwan attack was more likely - currency protection ?

 

[MattTheTall77]

The size of their shipbuilding capacity is huge compared to the US. Will be a lot easier for them to repair and out build in any conflict.

 

[Werewolf]

IIRC the Chinese navy at the moment is mainly "coastal", they have little capacity for deep water operations, and their aircraft carriers for example are currently not working out very well.

If they start messing around it won't just be the US ship builders, it'll likely be the South Koreans etc who have a vested interest in making sure the waterways stay open and clear.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

US military bases around China, you'll note these bases are so far away from the US that the Continental United States isn't even visible on the map. China is going to be consistently painted as the aggressor in the media, but why does the US need to take this approach towards China, a country that was last involved in an armed conflict in 1979?

The SE Asian countries are scared of China and invited the US to help them defend their independence. Much like Eastern European countries wanting to join NATO for protection against Russia. International law allows countries to determine their own security arrangements.

 

[BUDFORCE]

Time to get armed lads.

Although there is a backlog with the licensing department to be able to get hold of one of these bad boys:

 

[Mr Badger]

Thought I had best undertake some independent research into what is clearly a significant geopolitical issue. A search for Chinese squirt videos has proved quite eye opening.