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I'm with you on this point. I firmly believe that people (who are the actual catalysts for innovation and creativity) can get better results working together.
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I'm with you on this point. I firmly believe that people (who are the actual catalysts for innovation and creativity) can get better results working together.
Where do these really big magnets come from, and how are they produced? Also, do the bring Mars any closer, in travel time, for example?
4000km wide diamond would ruin Hatton Garden. Lucy for them it's a 100 light year trip away
that was just an example we don't need to go to space for diamonds russia has tons!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popigai_crater
Indeed.
Necessity, the right environment, purpose, mastery, self direction, knowledge & the convergence of mutually aligned minds breeds creativity.
All of which can occur within a competitive or co-operative environment, the difference with the latter being the fruits are shared with more people than the former.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say nature itself (including humans) relies on 50% competition and 50% cooperation.
I don't think we can say for certain what really constitutes human behaviour in such a broad sense.
From an evolutionary perspective it's simply the most adaptable & able to reproduce who succeed, this can be achieved via countless co-operative or competitive means (or even co-opetition within a species/group or even symbiosis across different species).
No singular method of progress has a monopoly on advancement, as whatever works - works.
Edit - Opps, apologies for going OT!
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It ends up becoming a chicken or egg 1st argument - for cells got together to make more complex organisms each working and competing in different ways as did other cells to make different animals, yet some animals work together and some eat others.
One to think about - how can people compete without resources? Would they be innovating in a tech just to get resources or to actually go out to space? Is this use of innovation economic for a person or people's goals?
The men who built america series
http://www.history.com/shows/men-who-built-america
suggests 100% competition, 100% ruthlessness and 100% greed
A grudge doesn't seem to hurt either
Look how it turned out.
High crime, high poverty, death from preventable illness, high poverty gap, constant wars & the worst polluter in the world.
It should be a guide on how not to run a country.
Exactly, advancement comes in all forms - from dog eat dog (literally) to bacteria living inside our body's we need to survive.
Got to (slightly) disagree there, I think its far easier to use competition to drive innovation than it is to organise collaboration to do the same. Both seemingly reach the same result, just one needs more management than the other.
People like Bob Langer are just one of those exceptions that proves the rule
. Perhaps going forward things like Open Hardware might be far more fruitful than ordinary competition, we shall see...Far more examples in food webs of predatory relationships than symbiotic ones and natures had quite a while having a go
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Well, technically you are agreeingGot to (slightly) disagree there, I think its far easier to use competition to drive innovation than it is to organise collaboration to do the same. Both seemingly reach the same result, just one needs more management than the other.
People like Bob Langer are just one of those exceptions that proves the rule
Far more examples in food webs of predatory relationships than symbiotic ones and natures had quite a while having a go
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.As both work (which was my point), just one may be easier.
The other point is competition doesn't have to be person against person, you can compete against set standards, your own previous works or other metrics - it also doesn't have the exclude the prospect of shared results & benefits (even if it was person VS person).
Well, as we animals are all parasites on the plants, we are all predators to some extent (while also being symbiotic in other relationships).Far more examples in food webs of predatory relationships than symbiotic ones and natures had quite a while having a go
But as humans are social creates & all of our greatest scientific & technological discoveries have been group endeavours (either as collective groups at the time or as solo scientists standing on the shoulders of previous giants & expanding upon their work) I don't think competition in the way it's being expressed here is the pivotal key to advancement.
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I second this.
Not only would a global effort get more cash but it would also do a good job of promoting global cooperation and general wellbeing and that other hippy crap...
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Are you sure on that? More like exploring was is essentially 99.999999999999999999%* of everything.
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While we can argue that War is the biggest reason to innovate, we cannot live on that desire forever.
Eventually it will kill us.
Exploration leads to actually being able to survive, its a basic tenet of natural selection and to laugh about it is, quite frankly a showing of decadent opinion, after all it won't be long til consumption of the world naturalises all over to our standards...I wonder how people will react to the change in lifestyle?
We will NEED extra-terrestrial mining soon, we can't sit here forever.
By the way, some of these asteroids are worth nearly $100 trillion in mineral wealth, just saying.
Eventually it will kill us.
Exploration leads to actually being able to survive, its a basic tenet of natural selection and to laugh about it is, quite frankly a showing of decadent opinion, after all it won't be long til consumption of the world naturalises all over to our standards...I wonder how people will react to the change in lifestyle?
We will NEED extra-terrestrial mining soon, we can't sit here forever.
By the way, some of these asteroids are worth nearly $100 trillion in mineral wealth, just saying.
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