Chinese Grand Prix 2015, Shanghai - Race 3/19

Captain Planet said:
Nasr putting in a decent time.

The end of this season is the season rosberg leaves merc and alonso jumps in his seat. *wishes*
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Mclaren going to be great in 2016 then? :p

Crofty is so irritating, asking Palmer(or Button mk2), asking a driver who the third fastest car is, getting a sensible answer then telling him no, it's Nasr, because with half the teams yet to run a soft tire fast lap by that point he was 5th behind the Mercs/Ferrari.

Palmer correcting him saying the Williams haven't done their soft tire run yet, neither had RBR who have also gone faster.

They were whining in I think FP1 about Perez not being positive about the car.... but look at it, their 2014 car they ran in preseason looked better than the current 2015 car. They aren't developing this car at all, it was too slow in the first race, poor last race and as no one except for Manor is waiting half the season for a b spec car, they'll only drop back every race till they get the new version of it. At least Mclown know that every week the car should improve.... even Manor drivers can believe that to some degree, FI drivers just know their car isn't good enough and it won't get at all better for another 5 races.
 
Nah Raikonnen will get fed up and leave to go race at the X games or TT or something, Rosberg will go to Ferrari to get his stint in with them and that will leave the two best drivers in the two best cars to battle it out :p
 
Rosberg in a ferrari...god help me.

Anyone got any long run data, apparently kimi was very close to Hamilton on pace. Really hope he has a good weekend, he's looked fast at every race but mistakes/misfortune have cost him.
 
Really just the usual Crofty BS, Palmer sensibly saying that till you see stint length comparing the lap times is basically impossible.

Does that crappy formula1.com timing stuff work within free practice. If I actually paid for it can you watch the time of every lap and or see a list of every lap completed per car?

Not sure anyone else does live timing which is a shame, largely because that rubbish website deserves no money. They've ruined a perfectly good workable website into a complete pile of junk.


Kyvat's car not happy, brake issues, then over heating coming out of pits then complete failure and trashing the front wing.
 
deuse said:
Ferrari's race pace is very good. RB have break problems.
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Where are you checking lap times? This is consistent with what I've read elsewhere but can't find any timings.

Edit: Are crofty and co not able to see the tyres? Quite clearly looked like Rosberg was on the softs and Raikonnen was on medium.

Edit Edit: Ah they rely on data rather than looking at the screens.
 
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Crikey, RB having brake problems today with Kyviat binning it on his return to the pits when they failed. Thank god he didn't get back to the pits to find they'd failed!

Much better pace from the McLarens today, mid table in both practises.
 
One brake problem but, they've switched back brakes afaik so probably need some tweaking there. However Ricciardo put in a very good lap to beat out both Vettel and Rosberg. Though it's likely the track continued to get a little faster. Either way both RBR's weren't bad in qualifying mode, certainly look like the third fastest team of the day.
 
SS-89 said:
19 laps for kimi and his pace from what I gather is very good. Looking forward to sunday.
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Not sure much of what Crofty says can be taken seriously. The on screen stuff was saying that Vettel had done 22 laps on the soft(probably brand new ones not the fast lap ones), likewise the commentary was taking the message to Rosberg to mean this will be a 14 lap stint, it wasn't, it was 14 MORE laps on a set that had already done 13 laps, so they did 27 laps on that medium tire(presuming he came in after doing those full 14 laps).

They kept highlighting Kimi's times and being like "wow, that is good" but they started saying 1:43's were great when they were heavier fuel, doing those times after pitting and having done 20-30 laps of fuel dumping doesn't mean an awful lot. An impressive time 10 laps into a race isn't necessarily impressive even 5 laps later, let alone 20 laps later.

Sky have a habit of calling stint timings completely and utterly wrong.
 
I'm still shocked at how big a jump Ferrari have made. Never expected them to be putting up a fight this early on in the season (Was hoping to be towards the end) but glad. Hoping for another entertaining race.

Edit: Hmm fair enough, hopefully will get an actual stint comparison from other forums I visit.

Edit 2: Ros vs Rai Medium stints:

ROS 1:43.8 1:43.7 1:43.6 1:43.5 1:43.3 1:43.4 1:43.2 1:43.4 1:43.5 1:43.9 1:43.9 [PITS]
RAI 1:43.0 1:42.8 1:43.4 1:43.2 1:43.2 1:44.3 1:44.0 1:43.7 1:43.3 1:43.5 1:43.8 1:44.5 1:43.7 1:43.8 1:43.6 1:43.9
 
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Villeneuve, god I love that guy. Hill "you've a bit outspoken... about everything" :p

Rather than this lets love Ferrari they are the bestest car ever rubbish and no one wanting to massively openly criticise Merc he's just like bam, they screwed up massively on strategy, what idiots.

Also his take on Ferrari, they seem more human, they seem like a team, when they speak you don't feel like they are lying to you. He's bang on about that, the team seem happier, they seem to have the right group of people working to the same targets and making a good car.

Ultimately I don't think Ferrari screwed up the engine as much as the guy in charge of the engine completely underestimated how important ers energy would be. That itself is a screw up but what I mean is, I don't think Ferrari screwed up in actually building/engineering those engines, they just had the wrong targets given to them. That mistake has been pretty quickly rectified. Another key thing I think is, a lot of fans and the commentators didn't really seem to get this unlimited mgu-h power thing. The limit was ONLY ever in the energy store but you can pass unlimited energy from the mgu-h directly to the mgu-k without going to the store. So you probably had a Ferrari engine designed to harvest 2Mj of power a lap while Merc went for as much as possible. Ferrari changed the mgu-h, compressor, turbine and probably now have similar energy harvesting and are as such right back on the pace.

In terms of stints, still hard to compare as fuel loads make a big difference, as does how hard they pushed the tires, if they were new or had done a few fast laps.
 
Just decided I'd sign up for a month to the f1 access crap... I've got three days to cancel without being charged. Instantly obvious information is that the stint lengths and tires they say they were on is entirely wrong, the lap chart is something that doesn't appear to work for free practice sessions so I can't directly see per lap numbers... and with the incorrect tire info that wouldn't be easy to tell which tire they were on directly(though length and speed should give it away tbh).

Signing up was a pain, I hit submit and it sent an e-receipt but page never updated, then the page wouldn't load when I tried to go back to the front page and logging in wouldn't work. Finally did and the data is almost meaningless as it's incorrect so... useless. I say this partially because during the long runs it at one point nearer the end said Vettel was 22 laps into a soft tire stint on screen, this website says his last four stints were 5 laps on softs, then 8, then 9, then 25 laps on mediums... though we know was on softs near the end. Kimi's says 5/6/7/8/24 stints on softs with a final 5 laps on mediums.

Horrific website in general but then the actual data is entirely incorrect making it meaningless.

Will see how it holds up for the race but then I'm cancelling, utterly useless.
 
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smr said:
So 10th place fp2 for button... is that going to translate to the rest of the weekend or just usual practice dont take it to mean anything ?
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Well I certainly don't expect McLaren to make it into Q3, but they're undoubtedly improving. 2 seconds down in FP2 on a long track like this must be promising considering where they were a few weeks ago.
 
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