Chipping 1.1 Seicento Sporting

[TW]Fox · 26 Jun 2007 at 23:45

I hate your Dolomite and you know it, but at can at least see WHY you own it and WHY you modify it.

Whereas a Cinq. Err.... nope, sorry.

GeX · 26 Jun 2007 at 23:49

it's ok, i don't think your car is anything to shout about either. I mean what, 219ftlb from 3.0l? Come on, i've seen Cinquencoentontosoens with engines a third the size of yours make over 140ftlb - so let me know when you've got over 400ftlb, but until then *yawn*

[TW]Fox · 26 Jun 2007 at 23:53

Difference being I've not spent a small fortune modifying it. It's standard.

Also congratulations for noticing that forced induction engines (Only way you are getting 140lb/ft from a 1 litre) develop more torque per litre than normally aspirated ones.

GeX · 26 Jun 2007 at 23:55

no, but you spent a small fortune buying it - and it's the same as many many many many other BM*yaWn*s out there.

Also congratulations for noticing that forced induction engines (Only way you are getting 140lb/ft from a 1 litre) develop more torque per litre than normally aspirated ones.

i don't need to notice things like this, i know why they do.. it has no bearing on anything though - it's still more output per litre than your car.. and seeing as you were having a dig at what i choose to drive, it's all game eh.

[TW]Fox · 26 Jun 2007 at 23:57

And to most people, who don't know whats under the bonnet your Cinq is just like all the other ones out there.

How much has it cost to build?

it has no bearing on anything though - it's still more output per litre than your car.. and seeing as you were having a dig at what i choose to drive, it's all game eh.

The difference is that you are making up pointless crap to make yourself feel better - i mean as if torque per litre actually matters - whereas I have a genuine opinion that spending a small fortune getting 99bhp out of a small Fiat is pointless. An opinion shared by others.

I mean you must appreciate there are other cars out there which are far more worthwhile to modify? I mean so, you are a Fiat fan. Fiat's best car in years - the Coupe Turbo. Imagine what you'd have on your hands now if you'd have expended the same amount of effort on one of those as you did your Cinq? You'd have something that'd leave me behind so quickly I wouldnt even have been able to see which way you went for example.

I'm not anti modifying at all - some of the things people acheive a great - I just think you should start with the best base you can, becuase the end result becomes so much better.

You wouldn't built an overclocked rig using a Duron 900 when you could get a used XP2100+ for the same money, would you?

GeX · 26 Jun 2007 at 23:59

who cares what people think? i think thats where the difference is here, i drive my car because i like it - not because i want to project an image for other people to see.

140ftlb from the 1108cc Fiat engine.. you're talking about £1200 ish.

[TW]Fox · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:01

GeX said:
who cares what people think?

Everyone does, even those who pretend not to. Becuase if you didn't care what people think you wouldn't be wasting your time defending it on here

140ftlb from the 1108cc Fiat engine.. you're talking about £1200 ish.

Thats a lot of money really, isn't it? To give you an example, thats still less torque than you'd find in a Fiat Punto diesel, or a 306 DTurbo 3 door..

GeX · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:02

i'm not defending anything, i'm attacking your car..

[TW]Fox · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:04

You are attacking my car as a defence mechanism becuase I said that modifying a Cinq is a pointless waste of time and money.

Which, to be honest, isn't exactly what I meant - modifying a Cinq is not a waste of time and money if its done reasonably. Spending large amounts of cash doing so, however, is a waste.

GeX · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:06

[TW]Fox said:
The difference is that you are making up pointless crap to make yourself feel better - i mean as if torque per litre actually matters - whereas I have a genuine opinion that spending a small fortune getting 99bhp out of a small Fiat is pointless. An opinion shared by others.

I mean you must appreciate there are other cars out there which are far more worthwhile to modify? I mean so, you are a Fiat fan. Fiat's best car in years - the Coupe Turbo. Imagine what you'd have on your hands now if you'd have expended the same amount of effort on one of those as you did your Cinq? You'd have something that'd leave me behind so quickly I wouldnt even have been able to see which way you went for example.

i'm not making anyting up to make myself feel better, i don't need a forum to validate me.. :confused:

i'm not a fiat fan, i'm a fan of my car. i don't want a 'better' fiat - and my next car won't be a fiat.

you're now comparing buying a coupe to buying a cinq. i'm 22, i can barely afford to pay for my house, food and play with my baby car - never mind something like a coupe.

[TW]Fox · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:07

This is where I may end up looking silly - how much have the modifications actually cost you to do? I am guessing near 4 figures. Obviously if you've done all this in your back garden for a couple of hundred quid tops it's completely different, fair play to you, and my comments were overly harsh.

But if you've spent silly money, point still stands.

GeX · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:08

[TW]Fox said:
Thats a lot of money really, isn't it? To give you an example, thats still less torque than you'd find in a Fiat Punto diesel, or a 306 DTurbo 3 door..

No, it's not a lot of money really. What did your car cost? (bearing in mind its lower torque per litre output). Yeah, it might be less torque - but it aint a diesel engine so its not allergic to being revved, isn't made of cast iron and so doesn't weigh about 20 million tonnes and couldn't pull the skin off a cold rice pudding.

GeX · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:10

[TW]Fox said:
This is where I may end up looking silly - how much have the modifications actually cost you to do? I am guessing near 4 figures. Obviously if you've done all this in your back garden for a couple of hundred quid tops it's completely different, fair play to you, and my comments were overly harsh.

But if you've spent silly money, point still stands.

all the work done on my car, has been done by me - hence the car being off the road for the past 5 months on axle stands in my garage.

i've not uploaded anymore photos recently, but a lot of it is documented here

[TW]Fox · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:11

I'm still not sure I understand why the fact my car has less torque per litre than a modified, turbocharged Fiat Cinq is a bad thing. Perhaps you could elaborate?

Surely the overall figure is the one thats relevant rather than specific output?

[TW]Fox · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:12

GeX said:
all the work done on my car, has been done by me - hence the car being off the road for the past 5 months on axle stands in my garage.

Well kudos for that - at least you are not one of these people who claims to really enjoy modifying their car, and its well worth it, its a learning curve blah blah whose idea of a performance mod involves taking it to the local tuner and handing over a cheque.

But how much were the bits?

GeX · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:13

i'm proud of my car, you are proud of your car - to the point you've put its power figures in your sig - i'm just pointing out them figures aren't all that in the grand scheme of things.

GeX · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:14

[TW]Fox said:
Well kudos for that - at least you are not one of these people who claims to really enjoy modifying their car, and its well worth it, its a learning curve blah blah whose idea of a performance mod involves taking it to the local tuner and handing over a cheque.

But how much were the bits?

thanks.

i don't know how much it has all cost. biggest expenditure would be the ECU, the MS itself was circa £300 with the LC1 wieghing in around £120. These will live on long after this car is laying upside down at the side of a track in the gravel though.

[TW]Fox · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:15

I'm well aware of that. I was infact well aware of that on the day they were calculated when my figures put my car well down the field of the cars that ran on the RR. Again, not entirely sure how this relates to whether throwing 4 figure sums at Cinq's is entirely a good idea or not.

[TW]Fox · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:16

GeX said:
thanks.

i don't know how much it has all cost. biggest expenditure would be the ECU, the MS itself was circa £300 with the LC1 wieghing in around £120. These will live on long after this car is laying upside down at the side of a track in the gravel though.

That's not actually that bad. I seriously thought you were spending over £1k on bits for a Cinq. Clearly, this isn't the case and for that I apologise.

GeX · 27 Jun 2007 at 00:16

but who cares if its a good idea or not. imo, it is and your opinion it's not. ok, but that's not got us anywhere else.

we've gone totally off topic now, and i've got work in 7 hours so i'm calling it a night!