Christian Values

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Hey all.

Thought I'd be a bit provocative in GD...

Disclaimer: I am not religious at all. I also live in a London borough.

I went through school being quite a disruptive, annoying idiot but went to a CofE secondary and 24 years later I'm starting to wonder where some of those values I was "indoctrinated" with have gone. I'm not saying they're absolutely correct, but my school days were basically complemented by what you would call Christian values.

I was brought up to:

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
"Love thy neighbour"
"Thou shalt not steal"
and all the other prime directives, serve the public trust etc.

I've always lived in a very multicultural, mixed area with no problems whatsoever, however in the past few years I've seen my neighbourhood disentegrate into a free-for-all cesspit where no-one has any regard for anyone else whatsoever. It's got to the point where I'm actively planning to escape and it actually makes me quite sad.

Some of this is accounted by an influx of people from foreign cultures, granted, but I'm even seeing this amongst those I grew up with now. My question is, where have we gone wrong? No-one seems to give a toss anymore and people are dumping sofas, random crap and whatever they like on the pavement. No-one cares about noise nuisance late at night and there is blatant disregard for the police when it comes to drug-dealing on the street. Even the "Natives" are becoming feral and basically are in need of euthanasia IMO because they are all horrible, selfish human beings.

Should we regress and embrace more traditional values to rebuild social cohesion or is that hopeless now? I'm beginning to think we've gone down a path of every man for himself and we're pretty much screwed socially.

If I'm not talking crap, who do we blame and how do we fix it? I personally think other people are becoming more horrible rather than me being more intolerant but hey... :)

That is the end of my beer-fuelled post. Thank you :)
 
how do we fix it?

Deus vult.

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I've observed this myself. On any given week there is a sofa or fridge lying on my street, smashed car windows and bus shelters, graffiti on houses etc.

This country is fundamentally built on Christian values and even people who call themselves nonreligious are influenced by it more than they realise.

I grew up in a neighbourhood watch area and we knew our neighbours. If a new neighbour moved in it was a courtesy to visit them and welcome them. Nowadays a lot of neighbours are complete strangers.

I see multiple factors contributing to this demise including immigration, both parents working, buy to let landlords, social media, supermarkets killing off independent shops etc.
 
I see this as a growing world problem. It is partly the loss of 'christian' values (I'm agnostic). But I think mainly it's due to the sheer number of people in the world. With small villages hundreds of years ago people not only relied upon each other for survival but anyone causing a problem was a threat to the village and ostracized by everyone. Nowadays the world is so over populated that we have lost that 'village' feel. We don't know our neighbours because they are less important to us. So there is less of a deterrent to anti-social behaviour.
 
I think loss of Christian values is only a small part of it - I see it everywhere an increased short-sighted only looking out for themselves. Infact I'd go as far as to say some of it is a kneejerk reaction the other way in that a generation that grew up with more of an impact of Christian values on their life that started to see how unnecessarily strict, hypocritical or nonsensical some of it is have overcompensated the other way and they in turn have brought up a bunch of spoiled brats but that again is only a part of the story.

both parents working

While maybe causation is another matter there is definitely a correlation there over time. Anecdotally those people I know who live more old fashioned values in terms of manners, sincerity and having principles, etc. tend to be those whose parents are still together and mum stayed at home to bring up the kids.
 
People are able to be selfish more now than before. The monetary reward for being selfish is high for example in work.

Not getting married is financially better for those with money. Divorce rates are high. Being selfish here is sensible if you look at it from a monetary angle

Also easier to be connected to those outside your geographical area so people value direct neighbours less.

I still believe most people are 'good' but you see the bad more than the good

Also, less accountability for criminal damage etc. People don't need to work together locally to prosper now
 
I still believe most people are 'good' but you see the bad more than the good

I'm struggling - I'm not saying all people are bad but I'm seeing more and more people that are only good as far as they are compelled to by society.
 
Problem is OP the values you hold as 'christian' are just good rules to live by. Forget faith, even though they're religious text examples they just make you less of a chumbawumba like the people you describe.

I'm an atheist and still live by those rules, I don't have to believe in anything to realise that's human decency. Problem is nobody cares anymore, why love thy neighbour when they're arses, why not steal when you've got nothing to lose and everything to gain? I don't agree with it but when the risk to reward is stacked in your favour then I can see why people abuse it.
 
I'm struggling - I'm not saying all people are bad but I'm seeing more and more people that are only good as far as they are compelled to by society.

Yeah I agree its in decline. Just look at how USA, UK etc are going backwards separating from the world rather than working together to fix real major issues

Selfish behaviour always wins in the short term.
 
Problem is OP the values you hold as 'christian' are just good rules to live by. Forget faith, even though they're religious text examples they just make you less of a chumbawumba like the people you describe.

I'm an atheist and still live by those rules, I don't have to believe in anything to realise that's human decency. Problem is nobody cares anymore, why love thy neighbour when they're arses, why not steal when you've got nothing to lose and everything to gain? I don't agree with it but when the risk to reward is stacked in your favour then I can see why people abuse it.
This really.
 
Yes I agree that you don't need religion to have a moral compass, however, in general it seems to me that people are more likely to be a-holes these days and I was trying to figure out if part of this is an absence of having "traditional values" hammered into you as a kid. Maybe it's just awful parenting.

Any commuter will see the this in action. People willfully ignoring disabled people or pregnant women, desperate not to give up their seat for example.

PS: I'm an atheist but I'm quite aware of the influences of religion whether i like it or not. :p

PPS: Thanks for putting up with my drunk posts, all. Merry Chrimbo :)
 
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Definitely a more pervasive sense of entitlement in the native population, coupled with a celebration of stupidity and a shirking of any social responsibility.

Personally I blame a large part of it on the 2-decade-long rise of reality TV that held up feckless self-servants as something to aspire to.
 
Deus vult.

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One day it will happen again, it took over 400 years of invasion, inclusions and masacares better the church rallied and pushed back, which lead to the crusades.

Their are people who still think the crusades were an invasion force, they were simply taking back control.
 
Definitely a more pervasive sense of entitlement in the native population, coupled with a celebration of stupidity and a shirking of any social responsibility.

Personally I blame a large part of it on the 2-decade-long rise of reality TV that held up feckless self-servants as something to aspire to.
Social media makes you dumb. ( Some people)
Reality TV is retarded.
 
Definitely a more pervasive sense of entitlement in the native population, coupled with a celebration of stupidity and a shirking of any social responsibility.

Personally I blame a large part of it on the 2-decade-long rise of reality TV that held up feckless self-servants as something to aspire to.

Echoes my thoughts, it's fashionable to be an idiot.
 
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