Christian Values

[FortuitousFluke]

Yes, I do.
However, I also believe that allowing people to follow the directions of such voices leads them to flounder once that voice is then absent... and indeed, the lack of such voices is then used as an excuse for their resulting stupidity.
"No-one told me not to"...
Now we have to have ridiculous warnings and H&S briefings on the dumbest of things, to guard against said retards for times when their 'voices' are quiet.

A far greater number of people would benefit if all voices were removed and we allowed their stupidity to rid us of them.

My original post was in jest but I'll run with it. Meh, that all sounds a bit Daily Mail to me. Sensationalist headlines implying that big brother is turning us into a race of barely functional zombies, I'm not buying it, I think the majority of people manage to live day to day without any real incident, the majority of them would hold their hands up if they screwed up and that some organisations will always go beyond the letter of the law when it comes to trying to indemnify themselves against risk. For instance you can put a sticker on a pack of batteries saying "please do not shove batteries up your bum and then attempt to ignite them using a blowtorch" in the mistaken assumption that you could otherwise be sued, but that doesn't imply that there are hordes of anal pyromaniacs out there who need these things spelling out to them.

I've never sat through a health and safety briefing that I considered completely useless, most of them are common sense but then again common sense is built up from experience so you have to play to the lowest common denominator, that person is then armed with information that should make them more competent. A 15 year old kid who shoves tinfoil in a microwave isn't necessarily stupid, they just lack life experience.

In response to the old, let's leave it to God to sort out argument, I'm not really one to view untimely death as a net positive for society, at least in the majority of cases. Horses for courses I guess.

 

[Teh_Next]

I wager that most folks that moan about overbearing H&S haven't had much experience in dealing with it or having a rule or guidance imposed upon them. They're just jumping on the trend to sl4g it off.

 

[ttaskmaster]

NVM

 

[d_brennen]

Taking the wife and daughter to mass now. Well, I'll be in the pub up the road waiting for them How's that for Christian values? They're the other type of Christian tho

 

[FortuitousFluke]

I would respond to your comment, but I can't. I'm autistic and have Aspergers, you see. I'm also dyslexic. And I have a hormone imbalance. And a thyroid problem. And I'm big boned. And I'm gay. And I'm part African-American.
Any excuse to avoid the blame.....


Then why do we need so much H&S, especially when accidents still happen and, in spite of all the briefings and warnings, people still get hurt doing stupid things?


That part I agree with.
We don't have 'accidents' at work any more, because that implies no-one is to blame... we have to call them 'incidents' now. It's not about keeping people safe, like they pretend, it's about finding and placing the blame on someone else.


Very well - I have several wonderful briefings on operating equipment you'll never even see throughout your life, in conditions and environments that you'll never ever get to work in. I'm sure you'll find them very useful...


It generally implies that there has either been one, in order to set the precedent, or at least one who claimed the absence of such a warning made the company liable.


A 30-year-old adult ought to have either the direct experience or the capability to extrapolate, though... and it's not the job of companies, the law and society in general to provide those experiences.


Actually I'm arguing the opposite - Forget God, and whoever else... force people to take responsibility, remove their blame culture safety net and leave them to think for themselves.


The stares of disbelief in our safety briefings and the scoffing of, "Do you think we need to be told this ****??!!" suggests otherwise.
Case in point - We cannot reach up remove our hard hats without eye protection if our jackets are wet, in case the wet cuff swings round and catches us in the eye... because that happened to someone and they had two days off work. Every time something piddly like this happens we get another briefing and another regulation that can result in a disciplinary.
We have five different posters around our one staircase, each listing all the different dangers of using your mobile phone near the stairs, on the stairs, on the balcony by the stairs (but not on the balcony away from the stairs), near the door by the top of the stairs, and outside the glass front door diagonally across from the stairs... Each one summarises a different safety briefing (complete with video) on the aforementioned dangers.
And yet, we still have an accident rate. Just today we have three separate briefings on how to cook a turkey without getting burned, how to carve a turkey without hacking your hand off, and how to safely hang Christmas decorations at height - Previously, we've had official company guidelines on BS like pulling Christmas crackers and the extreme risks of injury that carries, opening wines and champagnes, cracking nuts, safety around selotape dispensers, etc...

But as you say, it's clearly just people like me jumping on the trend to ****, so I'm gonna take it as seriously as the company does and enforce this safety culture on my family this year........ just as soon as I've had the official company briefing on how to avoid the inevitable black eyes!!

I'll keep this short because we could go on forever. None of that is down to legislation or stupid people. It's all down to poorly led companies over-reacting. The reason other people don't have the same experiences is that their employers take a common sense approach to health and safety. I seriously doubt it will have come about from anybody taking legal action either, just over analysis or a reaction to a fluke incident that they think they can mitigate against in the future without asking what the actual risk is.

It's like the EU thing 99% of the time it's not the law causing the issue, it's crap implementation by the organisation's themselves.

 

[SPG]

Conservative politics where the entire system is built around aspiration of wanting more more more. Social responsibility is a big gate with a padlock so you can sit in pile of self made muck and avoid the crap you have caused for those who are happy with a roof over their head, food on the table and something worthwhile to do in terms of work.

The metric of profit profit needs to change.

We can blame Thatcher and all the idiots after her including war monger Blair.

 

[Teh_Next]

The stares of disbelief in our safety briefings and the scoffing of, "Do you think we need to be told this ****??!!" suggests otherwise.
Case in point - We cannot reach up remove our hard hats without eye protection if our jackets are wet, in case the wet cuff swings round and catches us in the eye... because that happened to someone and they had two days off work. Every time something piddly like this happens we get another briefing and another regulation that can result in a disciplinary.
We have five different posters around our one staircase, each listing all the different dangers of using your mobile phone near the stairs, on the stairs, on the balcony by the stairs (but not on the balcony away from the stairs), near the door by the top of the stairs, and outside the glass front door diagonally across from the stairs... Each one summarises a different safety briefing (complete with video) on the aforementioned dangers.
And yet, we still have an accident rate. Just today we have three separate briefings on how to cook a turkey without getting burned, how to carve a turkey without hacking your hand off, and how to safely hang Christmas decorations at height - Previously, we've had official company guidelines on BS like pulling Christmas crackers and the extreme risks of injury that carries, opening wines and champagnes, cracking nuts, safety around selotape dispensers, etc...

But as you say, it's clearly just people like me jumping on the trend to ****, so I'm gonna take it as seriously as the company does and enforce this safety culture on my family this year........ just as soon as I've had the official company briefing on how to avoid the inevitable black eyes!!

So you're a builder, a worker in a ground squad, a chef, what are you?

But as you say, it's clearly just people like me jumping on the trend to ****, so I'm gonna take it as seriously as the company does and enforce this safety culture on my family this year........ just as soon as I've had the official company briefing on how to avoid the inevitable black eyes!!

Your family meetings inevitably result in black eyes? What was the company's H&S briefing on that? Don't be a chav?

 

[Tony Edwards]

One day it will happen again, it took over 400 years of invasion, inclusions and masacares better the church rallied and pushed back, which lead to the crusades.

Deus vult.

Their are people who still think the crusades were an invasion force, they were simply taking back control.

Looks like you may both soon have your wish.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-global-review-into-persecution-of-christians

The foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has ordered an independent, global review into the persecution of Christians of all nationalities amid claims that not enough is being done to defend the rights of nearly 200 million Christians at risk of persecution today.

The unprecedented Foreign Office review will be led by the Bishop of Truro, Rt Rev Philip Mounstephen, and will make recommendations on the practical steps the government can take to better support those under threat. It will be specifically directed at the persecution of Christians, and not religious minorities in general, reflecting the foreign secretary’s view that since Christianity is the established faith in the UK, it is legitimate for the state resources to be devoted to the review. The review is due to report by Easter.

Hunt believes that growing persecution of Christians in some countries is often a symbol of wider persecution. Christian groups claim as many as 3,000 Christians were killed in 2018, a doubling of last year’s figure.

The move comes as the government continues to face criticism for not offering sanctuary to Asia Bibi, a Pakistani Christian woman who spent eight years on death row after being convicted of blasphemy, and is still in custody almost two months after her conviction was overturned by the supreme court.

This is not going to end well.

Or just be another silly Tory appeal to the hard right again with little actually being done, which will annoy the people it was supposed to impress.

 

[ttaskmaster]

NVM