Christianity and Creationism - some clarification

[elmarko]

Another point.

Do you believe in prayer?.

A core of Christianity is based on the principle of prayer,

And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)

8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)

9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)

 

[Glaucus]

Selective quoting again.

How about the rest of the books.

 

[elmarko]

Taking into account the importance of prayer, why does God/Jesus hate amputees?.

I have never once ever, in the history of the known universe heard of a case of a single amputee being healed by the power of the lord.

I wonder why.

 

[elmarko]

Selective quoting again.

How about the rest of the books.

Selective quoting, I was asked to provide examples of "bad things Jesus said"

Would it not be selective quoting to ignore them?.

I never said the bible didn't contain some "good bits" also, but a book that contains "Good & evil" ultimately endorses neither.

 

[Glaucus]

Perhaps because if you didn't selectively quote and actually read the bible and not copy and paste from some hatred site. You would find out that prayers do go unanswered and that the level god interacts diminished significantly after the last prophet.

 

[spudbynight]

Taking into account the importance of prayer, why does God/Jesus hate amputees?.

I have never once ever, in the history of the known universe heard of a case of a single amputee being healed by the power of the lord.

I wonder why.

This is one of the funniest things I have read in a long time. Prayer isn't some sort of heavenly Argos where God grants whatever you wish for.

 

[elmarko]

No, you said that all religions were racist. Which is patently untrue.






Using the definition from above exactly how does "Not Christian" come under the definition of race?



No, what I am seriously suggesting is that not all religions are racist. In counter to your suggestion that they were.

Nice in theory, but as I said before - I never said all religions were racist.

If you are going to continue attacking this fictional straw man, then good luck to you.

But attempting to misrepresent my argument because you lack any content is dishonest.

 

[elmarko]

This is one of the funniest things I have read in a long time. Prayer isn't some sort of heavenly Argos where God grants whatever you wish for.

You do know in the bible it says prayer works?

 

[spudbynight]

Nice in theory, but as I said before - I never said all religions were racist.

If you are going to continue attacking this fictional straw man, then good luck to you.

But attempting to misrepresent my argument because you lack any content is dishonest.

Actually you did say all regions were racist - the post in question was edited by a Don.

 

[elmarko]

Perhaps because if you didn't selectively quote and actually read the bible and not copy and paste from some hatred site. You would find out that prayers do go unanswered and that the level god interacts diminished significantly after the last prophet.

I know that in "theory" not all prayers are answered, but NEVER are they answered for the amputees - again, another coincidence? you decide.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

I've yet to hear a logically consistent argument from the pro-camp.

Nothing but straw man arguments & appeals to emotion.

 

[bam0]

The Greek gods, Roman gods, Norse gods - every single one is equally valid & once thing is certain - They can't all be right.

This is where you're going wrong. Most religions don't claim exclusivity. It might surprise you that not even Judaism does.

 

[elmarko]

Actually you did say all regions were racist - the post in question was edited by a Don.

They mostly all imply that people of others religions who do not follow them (ask for forgiveness etc) are to be punished in eternal hell-fire based on the fact they are not Catholics.

That's pretty racist to me.

 

[RDM]

When a priest celebrates mass he acts "in persona Christi Capitis" meaning he acts "in the person of Christ the head". A woman is unable to do this. There is no sexism involved whatsoever.

Why is a woman unable to do this? How does a pair of **** and the lack of a penis stop a woman acting "in the person of Christ"?

No as above.

The above doesn't even address the point. You feel the Catholic church has very valid reasons for restricting the role due to gender. Many Catholics disagree with you not to mention non Catholics. The Church prevents women from having a full role within the chruch. Therefore the chruch is sexist. Regardless of the existence or not of a legitimate reason for the discrimination.

Catholics are not supposed to prevent procreation. Nothing sexist about it at all. It applies to men and women.

Doesn't stop most of them in the UK though. But that is neither here nor there, due to the uneven burden of pregnancy on a woman then the control of conception has a much larger impact on a woman than a man. After my wife's pregnancy I am even more pro-choice than I was prior to it having seen first hand some of the health implications.

The church does not object to ANYONE getting married. It simply states that marriage is between a man and a woman. The Church wouldn't allow me to marry another man either. There is no discimination involved - there is a clear position that applies to all.

Do you actually believe that or are you just trotting out the standard lines? How is the right to marry a woman of any use whatsoever to a homosexual man?

Why did the lobby against Civil Gay marriages being allowed when it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Church being a completely secular event?

The Church also believes that Children need a mother and father. You are confusing the Catholic Church's position on sin. The Catholic Church teaches that homosexual practices are sinful. They are sinful no matter who engages in them.

Not much of a problem for us heterosexuals though is it? That is a pretty easy sin for me to avoid. I also find it distasteful that the Catholic Church would prefer children to remain in care rather than go to a loving home due to the sexual orientation of the parents.

I think I have covered these points. I am aware that there are movements to ordain women as priests in the Church however those movements are heretical.

I shall let my wife know she is a heretic (and a sinner), seems awfully judgemental of you though....

 

[spudbynight]

You do know in the bible it says prayer works?

Have you actually read the Bible? You are not coming across as someone who has. To be honest you are coming across as someone with a real personal axe to grind.

Am I right that you believe that the Bible states that in essence prayer acts as some sort of heavenly request service?

 

[spudbynight]

I know that in "theory" not all prayers are answered, but NEVER are they answered for the amputees - again, another coincidence? you decide.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

I've yet to hear a logically consistent argument from the pro-camp.

Nothing but straw man arguments & appeals to emotion.

In fairness, most of your posts seem to be pretty emotional. The is a lot of hatred in them.

 

[elmarko]

This is where you're going wrong. Most religions don't claim exclusivity. It might surprise you that not even Judaism does.

Judaism is monotheistic, so is Christianity & Islam.

"Deuteronomy 4:35
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him"

Deuteronomy 4:39
The LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

Isaiah 44:8
I am the LORD, and there is none else ... There is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

 

[Glaucus]

I know that in "theory" not all prayers are answered, but NEVER are they answered for the amputees - again, another coincidence? you decide.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

I've yet to hear a logically consistent argument from the pro-camp.

Nothing but straw man arguments & appeals to emotion.

Why would they be answered. You are one hate filled person with out a clue.

Why not read the bible and the many other passages about prayer.
Some examples

James 4:3
New International Version (NIV)
3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

Isaiah 1:15
New International Version (NIV)

15 When you spread out your hands in prayer,
***I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
***I am not listening.

***Your hands are full of blood!

 

[Glaucus]

Judaism is monotheistic, so is Christianity & Islam.

"Deuteronomy 4:35
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him"

Deuteronomy 4:39
The LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

Isaiah 44:8
I am the LORD, and there is none else ... There is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

And you know they all worship the same God.

 

[elmarko]

Have you actually read the Bible? You are not coming across as someone who has. To be honest you are coming across as someone with a real personal axe to grind.

Am I right that you believe that the Bible states that in essence prayer acts as some sort of heavenly request service?

I never said that.

I stated that in the bible it says that prayer CAN (operative word here) work.

Are you saying that as a Christian you don't believe in prayer?, or that prayer never works?.

I'm pointing out the contradiction in that prayer when it does supposedly work, never works for amputees.

 

[Xordium]

Being as you don't like my writing style - a weakness I readily admitted to earlier - I thought I would put it in your one line at a time kindergarten style so you could read it better

Care to answer my main point - well for me:

You said this:

"If person A harms nobody, indoctrinates nobody & causes no harm - I have no problem with them - they can believe/worship or do whatever they want."

That's my attitude - I only have a problem when Person A starts trying to impose on person B, or discriminate against person C.

When it is quite evident from your posting history that you do nothing of the sort.

You came into this thread with aggressive preconceptions towards a group and attributed that hate filled bile towards individual people.

You then quote out of context - how about we take a sentence from Dawkins out of context "God created the universe". That's in The God Delusion.

Strange that eh - you seem quite critical of qualities in others that you seem to have in abundance yourself:

Intolerance, prejudice, willingness to discriminate, deliberately misinterpreting or ignoring evidence, claiming a moral imperative when self examination would be better, and last but not least my poor standard of written English

Whilst at this very time religious and non-religious people all over the world are performing good actions in the name of god or whatever their personal creed is and I wonder whether you have done the same. Have you ever gone to a disadvantaged area and bettered peoples lives, have you ever fought for freedom or equality or a greater right, have you performed some great altruistic act for the betterment of mankind.