Christianity vs Islam - you decide?
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Skyfire said:Christianity preaches love for human beings, Islam also preaches love for human beings,in fact, many of the texts are the same. Unfortunately, we are not united, so surely, the solution would be to join one faith or to create a new text (authored by God of course)
Now on to the survey,this is open to all faiths and opinions:
Q: What is your faith and which option would you choose-:
1. If foreign policy was changed to pull all our troops out of arab countries, would the support for terror stop and the healing process begin?
2. Should we launch an all out nuclear offensive on Saudia Arabia to take Islam out of the equasion?
3. Should we be united as Christians and muslims and stand together against terrorist despite current and future foreign/world policies?
Im Buddhist
1. No for a myriad of different reasons
2. Is Islam the problem or is the radicalisation of Islam the problem
3. Ideally yes but there needs to be the motivation to work together and understand the problems and acceptance of responsibility on both sides
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Loki said:
Islamic Nationalism or Islamism is the problem (two phrases for the same thing)... it is an integral part of Islam.
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Neither.
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Skyfire said:
I am Hindu, I am quite liberal in the way I practise my religion.
Skyfire said:
Unfortunately my crystal ball has been sent back to the manufacturer for repairs, but my guess is no. The issues and causes for this are much more complex than just US and British foreign policy.
Al Qaeda were planning attacks on the US when Pres. Clinton was determined to acheive a two-state solution to the Palestine/Israel conflict. There will always be excuses, if not Palestine, then it will be one of Chechnya, Kashmir, Iraq and so on. If not any of those, it will be the poorer living and economic standards of Islamic countries when compared to the West.
I believe the terrorist who implements an attack is motivated by the foreign policy of the west. Bin Laden and the other key players wish to see a return to the glorious days of Islam, a Caliphate. I do not believe they are truely concerned with the suffering of their fellow Muslims.
Skyfire said:
Nuking a country will not eliminate a religion, just as nuking the Vatican will not rid the world of Catholocism. After all why nuke an ally that has bought Eurofighters?
Skyfire said:
In an ideal world yes.
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Very interesting Over Clocker.
You can only be born into Zoroastrianism and there are only about 200,000 followers worldwide.
Also when you die you have to be left out for the animals to feed on.
I read all that in the early 70's when I first found out Freddy mercury was also born into that religion.
Of course, things change.
You can only be born into Zoroastrianism and there are only about 200,000 followers worldwide.
Also when you die you have to be left out for the animals to feed on.
I read all that in the early 70's when I first found out Freddy mercury was also born into that religion.
Of course, things change.
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I thought we already are. After all, have there been muslim countries which openly and without problems support the terrorist actions vs the West?
I must admit that neither christianity nor islam are up to my taste! Although christian born, I rather see myself as an atheist since I never got quite convinced that God(s) exist at first place. What I dont like about christianity is that, over the course of history, this religion has been often used by the rich and powerful, to actually get richer(e.g. the Crusades,indulgences etc). For the islam, I find it too backwarded for modern life. For example, I got a muslim mate, fairly passionate about his religion, who realises that he is forbidden to sell alcohol(promoting a sin etc), yet he does it for the money. He is fine with lots of other stuff but some of the rules, he has to break but then question is, why bother with the concept when you cant be fully prepared to follow?I just also love to see those "christians" nowadays who never get to church, often not even read the Bible and only mention God in certain phrases when they get scared, excited or something.
But whats happening today is hardly about religion. Religion is just an excuse and its always forgotten when things go down to economics!
No, it wouldn't, but it might remove an aggravating factor and would remove one of the terrorist's recruiting calls. But that fact isn't a good reason for doing it.Skyfire said:
Even the notion of killing millions of people for such a fatuous reason is nauseating. And it wouldn't "take Islam out of the equation" anyway. If anything, it'd make things immeasurably worse.Skyfire said:
Yes, and not just Muslims and Christians.Skyfire said:
What my personal faith is or is not has nothing to do with my answer to those.
Big SIGH.
Islam is the successor of Christianity. Oh wait I cant say that for a fact because everything is completely against everything else, because there isnt really any facts saying that Islam is the successor of Christianity.... but wait they have soo many similarities....but that cant mean they are related or come from the same God....
Sorry, its just whenever I hear anything about Islam in the news, the media, on a forum it gets to me. The few, the few who do harm in the name of that religion give us all a bad name. Islam is not the cause of evil. And it hasnt progressed the way all other religions have because its a newer religion than the rest and its still for the majority in the 3rd world countries, where things are different. Christianity in the western world, seems fine. Islam in the western world, seems fine. Islam in the 3rd world with the few who choose to twist it cause the problem. Christianity probably had a time where people killed and whatever in the name of religion?
Islam is the successor of Christianity. Oh wait I cant say that for a fact because everything is completely against everything else, because there isnt really any facts saying that Islam is the successor of Christianity.... but wait they have soo many similarities....but that cant mean they are related or come from the same God....
Sorry, its just whenever I hear anything about Islam in the news, the media, on a forum it gets to me. The few, the few who do harm in the name of that religion give us all a bad name. Islam is not the cause of evil. And it hasnt progressed the way all other religions have because its a newer religion than the rest and its still for the majority in the 3rd world countries, where things are different. Christianity in the western world, seems fine. Islam in the western world, seems fine. Islam in the 3rd world with the few who choose to twist it cause the problem. Christianity probably had a time where people killed and whatever in the name of religion?
1) Religion has nothing to do with human spirituality and everything to do with control, power and money.
2) No more Mr Niceguy, if they want a war give it to them. Any nation or faction that threatens our way of life gets the full treatment. No holds barred nukage.
That is why we are still fighting the war on terror because the West has no backbone and is shackled by moral imperetives and a deluded sense of fair play. If we have to fight it should be all out down and dirty survival of the fitest, which is us.
2) No more Mr Niceguy, if they want a war give it to them. Any nation or faction that threatens our way of life gets the full treatment. No holds barred nukage.
That is why we are still fighting the war on terror because the West has no backbone and is shackled by moral imperetives and a deluded sense of fair play. If we have to fight it should be all out down and dirty survival of the fitest, which is us.
asim said:
Islam is not the successor of Christianity at all, it hasn't matured past puberty as a world religion. Muslims are at a level that Christians were in the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th century with their crusade and a misguided and unfounded belief of spiritual superiority. In essence, dangerous.
This is the 21st century and Islam has no place in it,
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AJUK said:
You did not even understand the point. I'm not making an opinionated point that Islam is the next step beyond Christianity. I'm saying God, the one and only God of all of us told prophets through time how people should live their lives, and the prophets were to tell this message to us. So there have been 20 something prophets, with God having made changes throughout the years in the ways he thought best. Why do you think there are soo many similarities in christianity and islam? Because one came after the other. They are related, chapters in a book. Islam thought to be the final chapter for humans.
Oh and btw, I'm scottish born, a westerner, muslim, in the 21st century, integrated with society, havent burdened anyone with my religion, havent blown anyone up and millions of us... the ones you dont hear of are the ones who have integrated into society. My dads been here 25 years, muslim, pakistani, 21st century and hasnt done anything but enjoyed his life here.
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Skyfire said:Christianity preaches love for human beings, Islam also preaches love for human beings,in fact, many of the texts are the same. Unfortunately, we are not united, so surely, the solution would be to join one faith or to create a new text (authored by God of course)
Now on to the survey,this is open to all faiths and opinions:
Q: What is your faith and which option would you choose-:
1. If foreign policy was changed to pull all our troops out of arab countries, would the support for terror stop and the healing process begin?
2. Should we launch an all out nuclear offensive on Saudia Arabia to take Islam out of the equasion?
3. Should we be united as Christians and muslims and stand together against terrorist despite current and future foreign/world policies?
(1) - No.
(2) - No. Saudi Arabia is (currently) an allie (spelling?) and a country. Islam is a religion.
(3) - Yes.
On a personal note I am agnostic. My view is that anyone who believes in any particular religion simply on faith and with no hard evidence is gullible.
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Be careful because the way you said that sentence, it sounds like you are against islam itself(though from the above paragraph, it comes clear what u were trying to say). Its a bit ironic when thinking how the Islam world was actually more advanced than christian Europe during the middle ages compared to the status quo nowadays.
But Im hoping to some time in the nearer future, people(especially the west-born muslims) will start to easy-up on the Islam rules and will be,as a whole, less dedicated to religion. There are already plenty of people who are meant to be muslims, yet, are as religious as I am. Also(correct me if Im wrong but I got those impressions) I know its not 100% democracy and religious free but Turkey seems to slowly getting into being a muslim country where religion hasnt got as much influence as its got elsewhere in the Islamic world.
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