civic 1.8 vti
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)Ridiculously expensive. My '99 VTi was £2000 from a trader, admittedly with what some would consider high mileage. Knock £1500 off that price and you should be in th right ball park. After all...it's "only" a Rover 400 with a decent engine 
The only issue with the gearbox is the gap between first and second is a little too large, the rest of the gears are just fine. Unless drag racing from traffic lights is the only reason for buying the car, then money spent on an Integra box is a huge waste, and better spent being put towards an Integra IMO.
The only issue with the gearbox is the gap between first and second is a little too large, the rest of the gears are just fine. Unless drag racing from traffic lights is the only reason for buying the car, then money spent on an Integra box is a huge waste, and better spent being put towards an Integra IMO.
Gaijin said:
I think he's just lazy and can never be bothered to re write stuff he's written elsewhere on the net
His B18C is making 202hp. (Jap version of the B18c4)
The Type R (B18c5/6) engine has a different crank, thinner conrods and also 16mm wide big ends rather than the 19mm of the B18C. The B18C is more suited to boost and makes a good engine to turbo
Simon said:
Does the integra have the same cams though, i.e. would dropping the VTEC point to 4400 result in a big hole in the torque curve (obviously after fixing fueling etc)?
Also the B18C4 has the dual runner inlet manifold that activates at around 5000 RPM, which may also need moving (or binning).
Bobbler said:I think the car the OP is looking at is a VTI-S according to the Autotrader advert...assume its the correct one, number plate matches. Though it looks identical to my old VTI
It's being advertised as a VTI-S but it isn't one. It doesn't have the kit and the alloys are that of a conventional VTI. Its also green whereas most VTI-S's are pirates black. Bit naughty but most people who research it should be able to tell.
My VTI-S looks like this:
You can see the slight differences in the kit. and the alloys too.
Dogbreath said:
You change the Vtec point in the Ecu and use a map which fuels accordingly. You can just use the Integra ecu with an OBD conversion loom.
The engines are very similar I believe, including the cams. There are issues with using the Mb6 ecu though. I'm sure Jonny can explain better, he's a bit of an expert with Honda chipping/Ecus/engines.
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Yes, wheel bearings do seem a common failure. ONe of my rear ones is a bit rumbly, but has got no worse in that last 15k miles, so it'll be staying for now.
As Simon inferred, the older ODB1 Honda ECU's can be adpated to fit very easily which gives you access to the Hondata conversion etc. However AFAIK these ECu's don't have an output for the dual port runner solenoid, so I think you either need to modify the current manifold or fit an aftermarket (e.g Spoon) inlet manifold to use this conversion.
If you want a Unichip conversion go to http://www.dastek.co.uk/unichip.htm
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Sorry if that came accross a bit blunt but on Honda R this week theres been about 4 thread over this MB6 issue with the gearbox and a guy called Stuart the fish who preaches on about having to do this mod.... which is like £600. So its becoming a fashion accessory for this car rather than people actually driving the car and developing how THEY want it to drive. I must also point out this is the 98 spec one, this 96 spec has a similar 2nd gear drop.
Let me try to explain. The MB6 has a different head from the ITR and difference characteristics. BUT it has a far closer 'brother' and that is the Integra Si which is essentially the same engine other than the Si compression is 10.6.
Now this engine has 178bhp over 169 in the Civic. Right from the start we can see how the Civic really isnt optimised for output, its pretty shy from the traditional 100/bhp B-series DOHC VTEC area too. Aswell as what i can only assume to be very conservative ignition timing the VTEC and IAB (dual runner stage -Inlet Air Butterflies) are at the wrong points too. The delaying of VTEC to 5800 area would be to delay the wild profile VTEC cam for emissions and economy reasons and the off VTEC cam giving the favourable swirl from the two inlet valves opening a slightly different amount. The MB6 VTEC and IAB are set inversely to the Si settings so its not like changing the VTEC point will be detrement to the engine at all.
Now, my car has the same engine as the Si (its an SiR-G) and throwing the ratios into an excel sheet i have pretty much the same drop and infact my 5th is slightly longer. Now at no point driving my car have i ever been concerned about the 2nd gear drop (around 8100rpm to 4800) changing from 1st to 2nd. Its more than tractive from 3500 and certain very eager to climbe the tacho. Only difference would be the engine output so thats where id focuse my efforts on a Mb6. Getting hold of a ECU from a Integra Si that you can chip or even use Hondata would be less than £600 and you are future proof for future mods (ie a set of cams, exhaust etc can all be catered for)
This is why I get a bit irritated hearing this MB6 + ITR box y0 talk, it mainly described as awesome by some chap who seems to only consider his car as a drag racing machine. The Mb6 box is well suited for the road, nice sensible gears for cruising and darting about. Also whilst were getting to factual stuff the only thing the ITR and MB6 have in common is the block, oil pump and sump.
VTEC @4400 and IAB@ 5750
a) no problem with VTEC that early
b) no need to worry about gearbox drop, infact the longer first at 38mph or so will provide more tractive force than a ITR at 38mph in 2nd gear, and first gear is struggling for grip on the MB6 so no need to make it shorter and next to useless.
Case complete.
Let me try to explain. The MB6 has a different head from the ITR and difference characteristics. BUT it has a far closer 'brother' and that is the Integra Si which is essentially the same engine other than the Si compression is 10.6.
Now this engine has 178bhp over 169 in the Civic. Right from the start we can see how the Civic really isnt optimised for output, its pretty shy from the traditional 100/bhp B-series DOHC VTEC area too. Aswell as what i can only assume to be very conservative ignition timing the VTEC and IAB (dual runner stage -Inlet Air Butterflies) are at the wrong points too. The delaying of VTEC to 5800 area would be to delay the wild profile VTEC cam for emissions and economy reasons and the off VTEC cam giving the favourable swirl from the two inlet valves opening a slightly different amount. The MB6 VTEC and IAB are set inversely to the Si settings so its not like changing the VTEC point will be detrement to the engine at all.
Now, my car has the same engine as the Si (its an SiR-G) and throwing the ratios into an excel sheet i have pretty much the same drop and infact my 5th is slightly longer. Now at no point driving my car have i ever been concerned about the 2nd gear drop (around 8100rpm to 4800) changing from 1st to 2nd. Its more than tractive from 3500 and certain very eager to climbe the tacho. Only difference would be the engine output so thats where id focuse my efforts on a Mb6. Getting hold of a ECU from a Integra Si that you can chip or even use Hondata would be less than £600 and you are future proof for future mods (ie a set of cams, exhaust etc can all be catered for)
This is why I get a bit irritated hearing this MB6 + ITR box y0 talk, it mainly described as awesome by some chap who seems to only consider his car as a drag racing machine. The Mb6 box is well suited for the road, nice sensible gears for cruising and darting about. Also whilst were getting to factual stuff the only thing the ITR and MB6 have in common is the block, oil pump and sump.
VTEC @4400 and IAB@ 5750
a) no problem with VTEC that early
b) no need to worry about gearbox drop, infact the longer first at 38mph or so will provide more tractive force than a ITR at 38mph in 2nd gear, and first gear is struggling for grip on the MB6 so no need to make it shorter and next to useless.
Case complete.
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TheDome said:
Further to this point
Speeds at 8k on 205/40/17 (should have changed them really)
___________1_______2________3_______4_______5
(MB6)____40.52____68.88____96.22___126.56___154.32
(ITR_98) _36.12____55.43____80.02___112.83 ___148.25
There the gears, the ITR box is really a little short for an 8k engine IMO. As you can see though 5th doesnt seem to be much different.
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Yeah definitely look around a bit more mate, I paid £2400 for my MB6. An old one though, P/97 with 69k.
I've had a few problems with the cars electrics though, first two settings on the heater/fan have broken and the left rear window switch has stopped working. Theres also a bit of rust coming through on the back arches which needs attacking before it spreads but I suspect you won't have this problem with a '99+... Shouldn't really have this problem with a '97 tbh, previous owner wasn't washing the car properly
All i've done to mine is changed the exhaust for a Powerflow 3" (fitted at Doncaster Motorsport for £150 all in) and swapped the air filter, CAI etc.. The noise the car makes just makes me smile like this -->
I've had a few problems with the cars electrics though, first two settings on the heater/fan have broken and the left rear window switch has stopped working. Theres also a bit of rust coming through on the back arches which needs attacking before it spreads but I suspect you won't have this problem with a '99+... Shouldn't really have this problem with a '97 tbh, previous owner wasn't washing the car properly
All i've done to mine is changed the exhaust for a Powerflow 3" (fitted at Doncaster Motorsport for £150 all in) and swapped the air filter, CAI etc.. The noise the car makes just makes me smile like this -->
Tim said:Theres also a bit of rust coming through on the back arches which needs attacking before it spreads but I suspect you won't have this problem with a '99+... Shouldn't really have this problem with a '97 tbh, previous owner wasn't washing the car properly
Honda tip number 1! Remove those useless plastic rust traps from the rear arches, they've killed both my previous cars!
Skywalker said:
And this one is £5k, see my point yet? You've picked up the wrong end of the stick and run miles with it. Put it down again
You put up with the bland Civic looks, like you do with the standard Mondeo, becuase the Civic VTi is a bargain and you get bags of performance for little cash.
But this one isn't little cash, it's loads of money, thus negating the point - you yourself have pointed out what better cars you can get for £5k, like Accord Type R.
Pay no more than £3-3.5k tops. It's an old Civic. Good at cheap money, bad at big money.
But to be fair look at the miles and some people like low milage cars for what ever reason , if you look on auto trader that is the going rate for one on that milage . I have also said not to pay that much .
I like my stick , can i keep it ?
I like my stick , can i keep it ?