got all this from?
correct, people are guessing a Q4 2013 release. i think thats gunna be around right
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got all this from?
correct, people are guessing a Q4 2013 release. i think thats gunna be around right
Just thought, if the next Xbox does surprise us and shift to to ARM based architecture then maybe they will shock us again and go back to nvidia and base it around "project Denver" I know Nvidia stung Microsoft with the original Xbox but if they offered a really good deal then business is business, or have they burned there bridges with them?
It seems logical if they shift to ARM and Nvidia are already building a ARM based CPU/GPU and the desire for the "loop" or whatever it is to go the soc route
It seems logical if they shift to ARM and Nvidia are already building a ARM based CPU/GPU and the desire for the "loop" or whatever it is to go the soc route
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New Xbox With Six-Core CPU and “Dual-GPU” From AMD (Rumor Analysis)
http://pinoytutorial.com/techtorial/new-xbox-with-six-core-cpu-and-dual-gpu-from-amd-rumor-analysis/
http://pinoytutorial.com/techtorial/new-xbox-with-six-core-cpu-and-dual-gpu-from-amd-rumor-analysis/
Not so sure about this.
No doubt the economy is bad, however people are spending as much, if not more on games these days, given that it gives better value for money entertainment.
People wan't more than just better graphics these days. The PS3 already does blu-ray so I imagine most would be happy with that. I feel rushing a new console would be a financial disaster as most people will not see a big outlay for something with better visuals need enough to upgrade.
Adding blu-ray to the new xbox is not going to sell it as most will see the ps3 as a current viable option for less money.
I feel a next gen console will only do well if it is priced at the current console cost and capable of full backwards compatibility with the current gen games.
Adding blu-ray to the new xbox is not going to sell it as most will see the ps3 as a current viable option for less money.
I feel a next gen console will only do well if it is priced at the current console cost and capable of full backwards compatibility with the current gen games.
You've touched on a good point there.
If the "next" consoles are backwards compatible, then it's an easier transition into the next gen, especially given the current economy.
It's a fact that MS/Sony/Nintendo actually make a loss on the sale of the console during it's first few years of it's lifespan, coupled with the same principals of "Moore's law" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law ) I believe that more powerful consoles will come out, without the RRP actually that much more of when the previous gen (PS360) made it's debut. They could possibly be a tad more expensive when you consider inflation.
If the "next" consoles are backwards compatible, then it's an easier transition into the next gen, especially given the current economy.
It's a fact that MS/Sony/Nintendo actually make a loss on the sale of the console during it's first few years of it's lifespan, coupled with the same principals of "Moore's law" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law ) I believe that more powerful consoles will come out, without the RRP actually that much more of when the previous gen (PS360) made it's debut. They could possibly be a tad more expensive when you consider inflation.
Funny how all these rumours come from "close sources" involved in the next gen project yet they all contradict each other regarding the tech involved.
Still i suppose thats all part of the excitement when the next gen is approaching, lots of rumours a drip drip of info
Still i suppose thats all part of the excitement when the next gen is approaching, lots of rumours a drip drip of info
ARM - this would break all backwards compatibility unless they make a stupendously powerful processor which can emulate an xbox 360, IMO thats unlikely as it would cost more, will probably be powerpc again
Dedicated cores for AI/network/etc. - kinda doubt this tbh, would be better to have multiple general purpose cores that the developer can decide what they do i.e. just like 360/ps3/pc. unless these cores are stupendously quick at what they do, but again how likely is that?
Windows 9 kernel - surely this would add a lot of overhead, meaning ms would have to increase hardware power to keep up with sony. although it would pave the way for metro on tv, which would be kinda cool and could see why ms would want this, just not sure how feasible it is.
cheaper than 360 - with all the new features i doubt that, r&d + new features + extra power = not cheap to make
dual gpu - assuming this is sli/xfire/lucid hydra then why? why not just one powerful gpu? yields surely cant be so bad that its cheaper to go dual gpu. unless maybe one is being used for gpgpu, would get some epic floating point performance
smaller than 360 - a bit maybe not not much, unless of course its seriously under specced
nvidia - already lots of rumours of amd 7000 being in next consoles, cant imagine nvidia will be considering their generally higher power consumption, higher cost and general lateness of useable parts
anyway just my 2 cents, some of which is probably ****** anyway......
Edit: oh and blu-ray, i imagine that will be in it. i mean they havent got many options - dvd is too small, download is too slow for too many people, flash memory is still way to expensive
and 1tb hdd, i suppose that would depend on how ****ed up the hdd market still is by the time this is out, which incidentally i doubt will be 2012. Wasn't it supposed to be 2015 earliest for xbox3/ps4? developers and nintendo are pressuring them a bit now though, so id reckon 2013 at earliest (announcing and releasing a major new console in the same year is kinda unlikely, but not impossible i suppose.....)
Dedicated cores for AI/network/etc. - kinda doubt this tbh, would be better to have multiple general purpose cores that the developer can decide what they do i.e. just like 360/ps3/pc. unless these cores are stupendously quick at what they do, but again how likely is that?
Windows 9 kernel - surely this would add a lot of overhead, meaning ms would have to increase hardware power to keep up with sony. although it would pave the way for metro on tv, which would be kinda cool and could see why ms would want this, just not sure how feasible it is.
cheaper than 360 - with all the new features i doubt that, r&d + new features + extra power = not cheap to make
dual gpu - assuming this is sli/xfire/lucid hydra then why? why not just one powerful gpu? yields surely cant be so bad that its cheaper to go dual gpu. unless maybe one is being used for gpgpu, would get some epic floating point performance
smaller than 360 - a bit maybe not not much, unless of course its seriously under specced
nvidia - already lots of rumours of amd 7000 being in next consoles, cant imagine nvidia will be considering their generally higher power consumption, higher cost and general lateness of useable parts
anyway just my 2 cents, some of which is probably ****** anyway......
Edit: oh and blu-ray, i imagine that will be in it. i mean they havent got many options - dvd is too small, download is too slow for too many people, flash memory is still way to expensive
and 1tb hdd, i suppose that would depend on how ****ed up the hdd market still is by the time this is out, which incidentally i doubt will be 2012. Wasn't it supposed to be 2015 earliest for xbox3/ps4? developers and nintendo are pressuring them a bit now though, so id reckon 2013 at earliest (announcing and releasing a major new console in the same year is kinda unlikely, but not impossible i suppose.....)
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Probably exactly what the economy does need to help get the spending going
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Hope whenever it comes out, they actually decide to test the unit correctly and not wait 2-3 years to have a design without an inherent cooling problem.
They've got their market share now, there's nowhere near as much of a rush to get their product to market 'first'. They'll have got this one right.
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They wont be out first though, I expect the wii u will hit the market a few months before. Hopefully MS and Sony will tighten up thier QA and dev team so we dont have consoles with an inherent design issues (360), or mixed build quality (PS3).
They wont be out first though, I expect the wii u will hit the market a few months before. Hopefully MS and Sony will tighten up thier QA and dev team so we dont have consoles with an inherent design issues (360), or mixed build quality (PS3).
That's my point. MS now have a dedicated and large fanbase who it's more important are kept pleased than a rushed product coming to market. What i meant is, MS don't care so much about being first to market as they previously did with the release of the 360.
It wouldn't surprise me if it uses ARM architecture, it's become the standard in mobile devices and has made huge strides in the last few years with multiple cores and ever higher clock speeds, and it is very power efficient. More efficient = less heat, less heat to deal with means the machine can be in a smaller case.
I reckon it'll be announced at E3 2012, with a launch in 2013
I reckon it'll be announced at E3 2012, with a launch in 2013
I reckon it'll be announced at E3 2012, with a launch in 2013
That's what I think as well. Will be released in time for christmas 2013.
Although according to this article it'll be out next year.
There's been several rumours that indicate something more conventional, but I just think they are more rumours..
e.g. http://www.vg247.com/2011/11/14/report-next-gen-xbox-announcement-for-ces-hex-core-cpu-inside/
Hex-core CPU, 2Gb RAM, and AMD GPU.
1 place even tried to list specifics.
2Gb of RAM sounded low, but if it's that speed + 100MB EDRAM, dual core GPU, it'll be OK. But when you read the rumours, it all sounds a bit 'obvious'.. just double or 10 times everthing.. so whilst it would be nice if true, I guess it's just a guess.
e.g. http://www.vg247.com/2011/11/14/report-next-gen-xbox-announcement-for-ces-hex-core-cpu-inside/
Hex-core CPU, 2Gb RAM, and AMD GPU.
1 place even tried to list specifics.
another rumour said:
2Gb of RAM sounded low, but if it's that speed + 100MB EDRAM, dual core GPU, it'll be OK. But when you read the rumours, it all sounds a bit 'obvious'.. just double or 10 times everthing.. so whilst it would be nice if true, I guess it's just a guess.
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