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Vidar

Vidar

Vidar

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Just looking for your opinions on this,

I and the rest of my tutor group uploaded assignments late last year onto the college server and where promptly marked, mine as distinction.... several weeks later it was announced that Ed Excel where coming into the college to do an audit of work and we had our grades marked down to a PASS awaiting remarks from revisions that needed to be made in order to actually achieve that criteria, or so we where told, several months later Ed excel have not come in and advised the college of this and today we where informed by the particular tutor that he was now not going to remark the work and we can have our original grades back....

Personally I smell a fat dirty decomposing rat, as we have submitted the work again with the revisions asked, a sentence added here and there to summarise what had been described over several paragraphs in my case, and have waited since January to have this work remarked, only be told in my eyes that because he is not being checked he can't be bothered marking it


What do you guys think and if like me you suspect some sort of foul play what can be done about it? (Just to reiterate this isn't the first issue I've had at the college and the official procedures are not being adhered too by those who are entrusted to do so)
 
where i work the way to go about issues is to raise them with your peers

if the first peer you go to doesnt sort the issue or not to a suitable standard then youi go over their head to their peer

you keep doing that till your issue is sorted.
 
This is how must colleges are generally.

I've done several college courses and TBH most staff are completely incompetent. After all, they are probably at the bottom of the pay grade for educators.

Just complain to the head of the department if you feel your teacher is being lazy. Ed Excel don't ever just not finish an audit.
 
Problem is I've taken other complaints, some of a much more serious nature, to the principal ship of the college, after following procedure, personal tutor to head of department, to student relations and education standards and even like I say to the principal himself and the complaints have all fallen on deaf ears,

Ed excel never audited our department despite being supposed too they never turned up on the day though I know other departments where done.....
 
So let me get this straight...

You did some work, and going by the "proper" Ed Excel marking guidelines, you should have been awarded a "pass" grade. Instead your supervisor chose to award a "distinction" grade, presumably to inflate his own teaching stats?

...Then when it seemed that the college was going to be audited, your supervisor thought 'oh ****' and went back to re-grade all work in-line with the proper marking guidelines? Then when the audit did not occur, he gave you back your original inflated grades?


Do I have this right? If so then yes - you clearly have reason to suspect 'something fishy' is going on and bring it up with the college authorities. But if you complain then the only logical result is that your papers will be re-graded using the formal guidelines, which will result in you getting a pass grade. Is this really what you want? :confused:
 
Duff-Man said:
So let me get this straight...

You did some work, and going by the "proper" Ed Excel marking guidelines, you should have been awarded a "pass" grade. Instead your supervisor chose to award a "distinction" grade, presumably to inflate his own teaching stats?

...Then when it seemed that the college was going to be audited, your supervisor thought 'oh ****' and went back to re-grade all work in-line with the proper marking guidelines? Then when the audit did not occur, he gave you back your inflated grades?


Do I have this right? If so then yes, you clearly have reason to suspect 'something fishy' is going on. But if you complain then the only logical result is that your papers will be re-graded using the formal guidelines, which will result in you getting a pass grade. Is this really what you want? :confused:
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That's what I got from reading it, no idea why the OP is complaining.
 
RomanNose said:
No the fishy part is that he might not remark it leaving him with a pass, if that's what he is trying to say.
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'he was now not going to remark the work and we can have our original grades back' would suggest that's definitely not what he's trying to say :p
 
Sorry guys if I didn't make it at all clear I originally was awarded a distinction in fact I was told that all criteria by the proper marking procedures where substantially met, when Ed Excel where supposedly coming in to do an audit all of our grades including mine where dropped to a pass...

Now Ed Excel are not doing the audit we where told that he would not mark the work again and give us the original marks back despite, at least myself, doing the revision work - some minor tweaking at best to get my grade back up


If and I do mean if my work is of a PASS standard only then I want that PASS so I can go away and work for the Distinction that I know I can achieve, I feel cheated by the move this tutor has made!
 
Look, maybe Ed Excel were wrong and thats why they have not returned.

Accept what your tutor says and leave it as that!
 
Why? I want to go to a top university and need to know what to do to improve myself, not just swallow it now only to come unstuck later on!
 
Vidar said:
Now Ed Excel are not doing the audit we where told that he would not mark the work again and give us the original marks back despite, at least myself, doing the revision work - some minor tweaking at best to get my grade back up
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I'm still not 100% clear...

You "where" told that you are not getting your original marks... Does this then mean you're getting the 'pass' mark, and not the original 'distinction' mark?

If so, then you could very well complain to the department about the remarking procedure. You could ask for a formal written reasoning for two decisions made: Firstly, why your 'distinction' mark was re-graded to a pass, and secondly: Why you are now being denied the opportunity to have the additional work that you were specifically directed to do by your tutor included in the assessment.


I can assure you though, that if it goes to a formal review then you will get no improvement in grade. You will be given a pass mark and some kind of justification for the grade change. They will "take into consideration" your new work and decide that you are still only eligible for a pass. Colleges and Universities do not like being 'held to ransom' by students wanting higher grades, no matter how justified their case is. They do not want to set a precedent and 'open the floodgates'.

If getting a distinction is really your goal, then you may be better of talking to the tutor. Explain that you're unhappy at his decision not to consider the extra work you did, as he directed, and that you're thinking about taking the matter up with the college. At this stage he is likely to take 'the path of least resistance' and give you the distinction grade to avoid the hassle and scrutiny of having his marking inspected by his bosses.

You need to 'play the game' a little here I think. The tutor is the one to go to - you will get nothing from a formal review.
 
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God I love our education system. Submit work and then get the person marking it to tell you exactly how to get a better grade.

Sounds like he overmarks you all and then when he though that he was being audited he panicked and down marked you just in case. Tell the head of college and ask him to give you an explanation. If its not satisfactory, tell them that you will take it higher.

Takes the pee that so many people are considered the same at school simply due to the ease of exams and how everyone is spoonfed the answers. Well at least if that fails the teacher can just sort it out with a little creative marking.
 
No I was originally given a distinction that was marked down to a pass subject to revision work needed (apparently for the Ed Excel audit) now I am being given my Distinction grade without the work being remarked, I want to know why he is not taking this extra work in to account and why I was downgraded in the first place if there was nothing wrong with my original grade
 
Vidar said:
No I was originally given a distinction that was marked down to a pass subject to revision work needed (apparently for the Ed Excel audit) now I am being given my Distinction grade without the work being remarked, I want to know why he is not taking this extra work in to account and why I was downgraded in the first place if there was nothing wrong with my original grade
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I think the issue is that Vidar wants to deserve the distinction, not to be just given it.

Which in a way is admirable.
 
My college course has been pretty much the same, lecturers being very incompetent with marking and handing out free grades to students that were doing bad. It's down to grade tampering so that the tutor looks good stats wise. Although like said if you have the grades you need and were expected to get anyway why bother messing with it.
 
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