Computer Fried, Need some help for a New CPU, MoBo & RAM

[Dark_Angel]

Sounds like all you need is a I3 duel core by your usage.

But if you where going to cosider more cores i would check this offer out too. HERE

Tis is a nice bundle that.

 

[arknor]

Sounds like all you need is a I3 duel core by your usage.

But if you where going to cosider more cores i would check this offer out too. HERE

most games will struggle to break 40% cpu usage on a 1055t so you wouldnt need to upgrade the cpu for a very long time

 

[Dark_Angel]

most games will struggle to break 40% cpu usage on a 1055t so you wouldnt need to upgrade the cpu for a very long time

That's because they don't use the cores... which is basically why I was saying I3 for the moment is fine and more than enough once clocked to 4GHZ, plus the op saves a 100 or so pounds which is a good portion of the way to an 5850 or something.

 

[arknor]

That's because they don't use the cores... which is basically why I was saying I3 for the moment is fine and more than enough once clocked to 4GHZ, plus the op saves a 100 or so pounds which is a good portion of the way to an 5850 or something.

40% of 6 cores is still more cores than an i3 and it wouldnt need replacing anytime soon like an i3 would.
a few recent games have been using 3 cores almost fully

 

[Dark_Angel]

40% of 6 cores is still more cores than an i3 and it wouldnt need replacing anytime soon like an i3 would.
a few recent games have been using 3 cores almost fully

100 saved is a 100 saved, and the I3 isn't going to be that much slower (probably won't be) in games.

He saves 100 now, which can be used for a better GPU, the speed difference between a AMD X6 or an I3 (both overclocked of course) isn't going to be as large as a 8800 GT vs a 5xxx card... (example)

http://www.guru3d.com/article/phenom-ii-x6-1055t-1090t-review/18

For example shows that in many games, the performance is basically the same for different CPU's in games.

 

[daveyg]

Wow, thanks guys,wasn't expecting so much help and interest.

Just to add another slant.

If I didn't want to overclock (because it scares me) would an i3 still do the job?

Or do I need to then spend a lot more to get the same performance at the 4GHz i3?

Thanks,

Dave G

 

[arknor]

i3 will be a bottlekneck so fast i dont see why people are advising it its wasted money when it will need upgrading again in a few months....

 

[Dark_Angel]

i3 will be a bottlekneck so fast i dont see why people are advising it its wasted money when it will need upgrading again in a few months....

How will it bottle neck it?

You keep saying that, but I've give evidence that even with an I7 setup there's hardly any difference in gaming. It's *ALL* Gpu limited at higher res and AA. ESPECIALLY with that card.

Seriously, which of the 2 do you think is going to be more of a bottle neck:

1: I3 @ 4GHZ
2: 8800 GT

My Q6600 would possibly bottleneck the 5870 unless it was very highly clocked, and in most tasks, my work PC at 4GHZ (my home is a Q6600, my work an I3 @ 4GHZ) is faster without question. (EDIT) In each benchmark I've looked at, the I3 is faster than a Q6600, this is true with a Q6600 at 3.7 and a I3 at 4GHZ.

Deveyh, overclocking is really simple for the most part it's just raising one setting in the BIOS, though many motherboards now have auto overclocking. I can pretty much tell you though that a 3.5GHZ would likely not even require more voltage, and 4GHZ I'm doing on stock cooler.

I'm not saying that the I3 is amazing and astounding and godlike, and if you're doing a lot of video rendering, then, yes, the AMD 6 core is better, but I'd rather have that 100 in my back pocket for a new GPU.

Also, consider this - you're saving a 100 anyways, even if in 6 months you do need to upgrade, the CPU's from Intel are coming down in price, for 150 you'll likely be able to get something silly speed.

*PLUS* and the reason I'm saying it is: New sockets are coming out. They're going to be DDR3, if you buy a cheap I3, you'll have the DDR3 ram ready to go, so basically you can use this system to get you through 9 - 12 months till the new CPU's / sockets come down in price, then upgrade and use that same ram. (You can do that with AMD's too) but at least you save some cash for a GPU upgrade in the meanwhile.

 

[arknor]

its not 100 more though is it....

pretty much every game released from now will run faster on 4 cores you can garuntee it.

all the benchmarks you keep reffering to are old games that were developed when most people have dual core cpus.

he obviously doesnt upgrade very often look at his sig spec him something that only costs about 60 more but lasts a few years rather than something which will feel old in a few months

 

[Dark_Angel]

My last reply, because we're obviously not going to agree.

1. The new sockets are being released and new CPU's next year
2. He needs a new GPU (which currently is holding him back)
3. an I3 in any of the reviews I've looked at (the same as any other CPU for the most part) is always GPU bound once you start adding in AA or AF (particularly true for mid range cards).
4. AMD CPU's are currently worse on a per core basis in terms of performance on a game. In other words, a game which runs on 2 cores will be faster on the I3.
5. The I3 overclocks far more. (average)

Another option, and costing about 60 more (putting it in about the same figures as the AMD) is an 1156 + I5 750.

TBH the extra bit could help out in some games, but I think truthfully, by the time the extra cores (which HT will help out with anyways) are needed, we'll likely be on far faster CPU's for very little cash anyways.

 

[Frozennova]

As the OP does not intend on overclocking then the Phenom II build would be the better option due to higher stock clock speeds plus the additional speed of physical over logical cores

 

[infernox]

+1 ^^ go for amd 955 dont bother withg something which you will need to upgrade again soon and have to fork out for a new mobo when AMD are staying AM3 aparenttly when intel for every new chipo a new socket. dont waste your money go for amd an i3 would fail for the best part of most games choose wisely

 

[Dark_Angel]

I still don't understand how people think an I3 would fail for games -.- It's about as fast as a Q6600 (slightly more so) clock for clock.

But, the other option as said would be an I5 setup. Having said that, from the prospect of being able to put in a new chip the AMD would be the better option, but the issue is that we don't know much about the new chips from either company - and whether the current boards will give full performance on the new chips.

It's a bit of a minefield right now in terms of upgrading, we know 2 things for sure: Intel are releasing another batch of chips and slashing prices in late August, and that the new CPU's are being released from both companies.

But right now, I still think the op's biggest problem is going to be his GPU in games, over the CPU.

 

[gibb]

If you need it now and don't worry about price slashes I would say go for the I3 and spend any spare cash upgrading your GPU. For your budget range the I3 or the Phenom will not be the limiting factor in the majority of games so I would suggest you go for whichever is cheaper, the 4ghz OCUK bundle looks very nice to me.