Conned by OCZ...or Gigabyte?

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I ended up getting a 120Gb OCZ Agility 3 SATA3 500Mbps / 85,000 IOPS to go into my new build... turns out its PAP and OCZ are blaming the SATA3 ports because they are Marvell 'Add-Ons' and not 'real' SATA3..??!?!!??

my benchmarks of this drive are absolute crock , in win8 on IDE I get 147MB/s on AS SSD and 250MB/s on ATTO - I get 127MB/s on my HDD!!! - i spent £30 more on Sata3 board and Sata3 SSD for the 500MB/s speeds - now Iam left with less than Sata2 speeds...

is this true that my Sata3 ports arent real Sata3 and are just some cheap Marvel chipset thing that perform akin to sata2..? the board is the Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V

if this ports dont perform at Sata3 speeds then they shouldn't be advertised as so...

do any SSD's actually GET the qouted speed?

can anyone recommend a good PCI-E SATA3 conrtoller?
 
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http://uk.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4089#sp

* Advertised performance is based on maximum theoretical interface values from respective Chipset vendors or organization who defined the interface specification. Actual performance may vary by system configuration.


The Marvell Sata3 chips are notorious for being slower than the onboard (Intel chipset) Sata2 ports. To get the advertised SSD speeds, you need the Sata3 ports integrated into the chipset (eg Z68, Z77 etc).

No idea about PCIE cards, as I have a Z68 mobo - but I'm only using one Sata3 port for my SSD, so you can borrow the other one if you like.;)


PS. I assume you'll be booting from the SSD, so check the PCIE-Sata card supports this.
 
you could say that about ANY piece of hardware - they will know it under performs and therefore SHOULD NOT advertise it as SATA3 when its not???

HD Tune also says there are damaged sectors, 1 has been replaced...

check out my 500MB/s + 85,000 IOPS man!!! - more like 146MB/s and 4000 IOPS

could I have a drive with counterfeit memory as per this article..?? KingFast and OCZ involved in it all - my speeds are similar

http://thessdreview.com/daily-news/...w-sample-ssd-contains-fake-nand-flash-memory/

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Those are SATA2 speeds alright. You tried different ports? You should be able to manage slightly higher speeds even on SATA2.

Also, is your BIOS set to AHCI mode for the SSD?
 
anything older than sandy/ivybridge use poorer performing marvell sata3 ports,they will still be faster than sata2 but to see true rated speeds you need an ib/sb motherboard
 
Hello

This is an Agility 3 that uses async NAND rather than sync.

There are numerous threads about this.

1, To get full speed the drive needs to be bare and have an 8GB LBA applied for the IOPs reading.

2, To get full read and write speeds you need to use ATTO and the drive needs to be on an Intel motherboard running Z68 or Z77 or similar and on an Intel SATA 6GB/s drive.

3, Its not Gigabytes fault, AMD have to use the Marvell controller so if you purchase AMD you will be running Marvell and as such will see speeds of about 450MB.s instead of 550MB.s

This is Not entireloy OCZ fault either. Its ALL manufacturers who use the form of sub standard NAND I quoted above and run benchmarks at settings tailored to hit the required speed.

If you want a drive that performs constantly as it should then you have only a few choices really.

1 - OCZ Vertex 4 or Vector.
2 - Anything Intel
3 - Anthing Samsung
4 - Anything Crucial
5 - Anything Plextor.
6 - Corsairs Neutron or Neutron GTX (potentially the GS or GT)


Any other brand you need to be careful of as they may use a lesser standard NAND and as such you wont get the speeds.


Drives that use async and as such have poor internal bandwidth and as such do not perform always on key...

Agility 3
Force 3
Anythign Adata that doesnt state it is "synchronous"
Anything Kingston that doesnt state it is "toshiba Toggle or Synchronous"

Hope that helps :)
 
sorry i just googled your board and it is intel sb/ib supported but it has no intel sata3 ports just marvell

youll do better not installing the marvell drivers and just use what microsoft/windows installs

you cant use the rst drivers either as they are for intel ports,those would help with speeds
 
Is the firmware upgradable on the Marvell 88SE9172 controller? If so, I'd try that - from what I can see online, v2.2.0.1125b might be available.

Regarding drivers, the latest driver I can see online is v1.2.0.1032.
 
godammit

they shouldnt advertise SATA-3 if iam unable to get it - or it should be in big letters on advert "SATA3 - 380Mbps max"

I re-installed with AHCI using Marvell Driver install after windows installed and I got 380MB/s max on ATTO and 187MB/s on AS SSD - a max of 19,000 IOPS on AS SSD - much better but obviously thwarted by this 'Marvell' chipset.

I wouldnt care I posted on here that i may be getting SATA3 SSD - shame no-one told me to be aware of this then :(

Ive also got a warning in HD-Tune that says this drive has damaged sectors... it says 1 sector has been moved..or something like that - Im soo annoyed about all this - I also got the Zalmann fan and turns out it doesnt PWM on the CPU_FAN header ..!!! you use this crappy cheap looking PWM regulator block called the 'FAN MATE' that sticks on the side of your tower with cable hanging down to control the fan speed???? and its EXTREMELY LOUD...even on slowest setting...dont know where they get ULTRA QUIET from??? again..more blatant mis-selling of products by the manufacturers - it should say on box and avdert that it ONLY works with this fan-mate device and will only run full speed on CPU_FAN - i would not have bought it otherwise, thats going back!! and im complaining to Gigabyte about the SATA3 issue too

I ended up making my own 1155 fan - chopped the fan off stock 1155 cooler and fixed my 775 Arctic Freezer Pro fan to the Heatsink - ultra quiet - in fact it sounds like its turned off - temps are fine at 25-30'c idle
 
Should have asked here before purchasing anything. What Andrew Moore has posted on SATA 3 is really useful, so take that into consideration next time. I was originally going to buy OCZ or Corsair when I was buying my first SSD but luckily I decided to do a bit of research, now my M4 is still standing strong with full speed :).
 
Glad I went for the OCZ Vertex2E over the Agility 3, even on my Gigabyte X38-DQ6 I get similar speeds.

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Made my old PC much quicker.


Why does it say on gigabytes site that the board your using has High speed SATA3 storage interface with superfast 6Gbps link speed! though there are 2 white GSATA3 ports on the board.
 
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Lord Alibaski said:
Why does it say on gigabytes site that the board your using has High speed SATA3 storage interface with superfast 6Gbps link speed! though there are 2 white GSATA3 ports on the board.
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i will be putting this too them in a long worded support ticket - OCZ will be getting the brunt of it too

Ive just said this too the retailer who sold me the goods:

hello,

I bought this fan (and £200 worth of other goods) from the Processor Heat-Sink & Fan section believing it would operate like 'all' CPU HSF's - when I opened it I saw in the instructions that the fan does NOT operate like all other CPU fans, it does not have Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) like all CPU fans have - so when you wire the fan to the CPU_FAN port on motherboard it revs up too full speed and does not slow down when Idle, it comes with some silly adapter with a knob on that you 'stick' too the side of your case to control the speed of it??!!?? - this is just 'odd' for the CPU fan, it should be automatically controlled by the motherboard? , you risk burning out your CPU with this setup - also its sold as ULTRA-QUIET and its anything but!...even on low speeds its very noisy - but mostly because of the fact the motherboard can not control the speed (like all other CPU's Fans) that I would like to return it for a refund.

I would like to point out also that I also purchased a Gigabyte H61-D3V Motherboard and OCZ Agility 3 SSD - both these manufacturers mis-sell on their item descriptions, I spent £40 more in total to get a SATA-3 motherboard and a SATA-3 SSD so I could get the faster 500MB/s speeds on the SSD , I actually get 1/4 to 1/3 the qouted speeds, because:-

A) OCZ speed results are yielded from unrealistic benchmarks such as ATTO which write continuous zero's on the disk and measure the speed, this does not reflect real world use and thus most people (I've now found out) experience half the quoted speed..

B) GIGABYTE sell the H61-D3V board with SATA-3 ports...saying its SATA-3 capable (this means 600MB/s) - but I only found out through asking for help with my really slow SSD speeds that the SATA-3 ports on this Gigabyte board are 'budget' MARVELL chipsets, not Intel, and can only yields speeds slightly over SATA-2 (300MB/s) - e.g. 380MB/s is the max I get on the 'fake' ATTO test - real world tests like AS SSD report 187MB/s and 19,000 IOPS - the drive is sold as 525MB/s and 85,000 IOPS - think you can see where I am coming from, total mus-representation of the truth...LIES!! had I know this I would not of spent more on that board and SSD and would have got the cheaper SATA-2 ones.

- I think its a disgrace that products are sold like this saying they are "x" fast when they really arent, or have "x" ports when they really are not... ASA would have a field day with this lot... I know its nothing to do with ******** as you just display what they do, but thought I would make you aware of this and perhaps inform a manager who may be able to act on these sort of things, because its ******* that will take the brunt of their mis-givings...
- anyway, Iam just going to deal with OCZ and Gigabyte directly about this matter, but the CPU Fan I would like to return as its yet another thing 'mis-sold' and of no use to me.

Thanks

Paul
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Ref. the above...

There's no expectation of a CPU cooler coming with PWM controlled fans, some do, some don't. The standard version of the NH-D14 (a very nice and relatively expensive cooler) for example comes with 3 pin fans. It's still possible for a motherboard to control 3 pin fans, but it might need a bios setting changing. There's also virtually no risk of CPU damage in the way you suggest, if it gets too hot it'll just throttle itself.

Describing Atto as ‘fake’ and AS SSD as ‘real world’ shows that you still don’t fully understand what the benchmark software is doing. They’re both artificial tests with results which should be taken with a pinch of salt. You’d need to be impossibly naive to not expect manufactures to select benchmark results that show their products in the best possible light.

I’d agree with you to a certain extent about the Marvell SATA ports.

BTW your ‘letter of complaint’ strays heavily into TLDNR territory.

Why don’t you just DSR everything and start again after taking some better advice?
 
I think most of the OP's problems lay in their choice of CPU and motherboard. Had the OP bought an Intel based system, it is unlikely they would have speed problems from their SSD - which is what this thread is primarily about.
ports on this Gigabyte board are 'budget' MARVELL chipsets, not Intel
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You bought a motherboard designed for a AMD processor, then you wonder why it doesn't have a Intel chipset?

How long would it have taken to do some research, not only on the motherboard and SSD issue, but the fan? Locating and downloading the PDF manual would take literally minutes. That would tell you how the fan is controlled.

Sounds to me you haven't done enough research before buying.
 
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BTW your ‘letter of complaint’ strays heavily into TLDNR territory.
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That's all you could find fault on? you can't go cursing in an email to a company. It's going to end up in the bin, as well as it comes across as an online rant.

Amusing he gives thanks after the cursing in the email. Thats like sarcasm.

TLDNR? I had to google that. You have a full size keyboard and you couldn't type the whole thing? if thats your attitude for a long read, how on earth do you read books? though you probably don't if you detest a somewhat long read.

Even still, his letter wasn't long.


If he wants a serious reply you can't just go mashing the keyboard from whatever pops into ones head. Think it out and have it worded calmly and straight to the point without coming across like an insulting rant.
 
darael said:
I think most of the OP's problems lay in their choice of CPU and motherboard. Had the OP bought an Intel based system, it is unlikely they would have speed problems from their SSD - which is what this thread is primarily about.You bought a motherboard designed for a AMD processor, then you wonder why it doesn't have a Intel chipset?
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He bought a H61 chipset Intel board.
 
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