CONROE FOR THE NEWBIE WHATS IT ALL ABOUT

[bigjonnyauk]

HI i am sure i am not the only one in this situation

but every thread you see now more or less ends in forget the rest conroes the best lol

well i am going to be going conroe soon but have never had a intel chipset or proccesser and have loads of questions re intel and conroe

cpu i see the 6300 fsb is 1066 my amd runs at 400 i think it is 10x200 so does this means the fsb is 5 times faster

do you prep a intel cpu the same as a amd one when putting in ie paste and stuff or are they different

motherboards whats with all these chipsets 945 965 975 and so on which ones are actually ok for conroe

is their anything special you should know about installing intel drivers

ram 533 667 i see some ram is better for some core processers than others why? is the 533 and 667 the fsb of the ram as i see people saying their currentley at 366 with their duo which i dont understand as it says 1066 and the ram is either 533 or 667

is their nforce mobos or is their likely to be for intel conroe




sorry for all these questions guys but i dont wanna bodge it up getting an idea helps with bios settings and stuff and im sure im not the only one in this position

i dont wanna end up with a mobo that is incompatible and ram which is wrong




i thankyou

 

[V|per]

the fsb is 266 (quad boosted to 1066) so no it doesnt mean its five times faster... although it is rather efficient

Prepping the cpu for paste and heatsink is the same as amd, only difference is that the heatsink doesnt fit into the motherboard the same way an amd heatsink does, but its the same 'lock cpu in place, appl paste, add heatsink' method

I believe its the 975 and 965 chipsets that support conroe, if your having trouble deciding, just look at the manufacturers site about the board, will say if its c2d ready, and which bios revision supports it.

Intel drivers, can't help u there having never owned a motherboard that isn't nforce or (eurgh) via

when looking at the ram, devide the number by 4, ie 533 = 133mhz, 667 = 166mhz, 800 = 200mhz and 1066 = 266mhz. a lot of people are clocking their ram with fantastic results, so u dont need 1066 ram, and you always have the option on running the ram on a devider (ie not @ 1:1)

Yes there are nforce chipsets, although many wont allow you to clock past an fsb of 333mhz, which is pointless for a conroe system, as they clock way past 333. My motherboard (p5n32-sli se) goes to 400mhz, and is nforce 4, but it appears most people have the best results with the intel chipsets, but alas, i shall not be going that rout, i like nvidia too much (although i'm sure sometime soon i shall move to the darkside of crossfire )

Hope that helps..

 

[bigjonnyauk]

ok so in theory why is that ram faster and better than my ddr1 ram which runs at 200

and the actual proccy fsb is 266 ?


this gets more confusing

so if i didnt want to overclock and just run at stock i would need ram that runs at 1066 266 to match that of the c2d

 

[matt100]

intel chips thrive on bandwidth, the fsb is indeed 266 (or 533 seeing as its doubled just like normal ddr) the downside (sort of) is that memory latencies are much higher at these speeds and it tends to run at 2T but none of that makes a whole lot of difference for these intel chips.

if you're not planning on overclocking much then go for 5400 (the ddr2 equivalent of pc3200, basically bog standard ram) if you want to go seriously clocking then think of some of the faster stuff 6400, 8000 etc which is basically the equivalent of the likes of pc3500/4000/4800 etc, basically faster ram with normally higher latencies (some of this stuff stretches into cas6 iirc).

The basic premise is the same though, the bus is 266 not 200, the ram is faster but higher latency, buy fast ram if you're clocking and don't if you're not.

Simple

 

[DiscoKandy]

so if i didnt want to overclock and just run at stock i would need ram that runs at 1066 266 to match that of the c2d

This confuses me too, all the conroes are 1066 FSB as far I can tell, so do most people who cant afford 1066 RAM and who dont want to overclock just run a devider on their memory ?

 

[matt100]

no they have a quadrupled fsb just like a64s have their 5x htt.. the fsb is still 266 (or 200 on a64s) its just the way the fsb communicates with other bits (I start to lose my knowledge here) of the system is quad pumped.

The way the fsb communicates with the memory is as I understand it 1:1

 

[Sir Random]

This confuses me too, all the conroes are 1066 FSB as far I can tell, so do most people who cant afford 1066 RAM and who dont want to overclock just run a devider on their memory ?

The stock fsb is 266

DDR2 runs at Double Data Rate, so that's 533Mhz (2x266.6=533.3).
Therefore you need 533Mhz DDR2 (PC4200) to run at stock 1:1 (not 1066Mhz ram)

Most people who want to overclock get PC6400 (800Mhz) which lets you clock to 400FSB at 1:1 (2x400=800)

 

[Jabbs]

I recall a big article on ram timings etc on conroe and its not such a big thing as it is on a amd setup, i recall it testing timings of 6.6.6.18 and they then tried 4.4.4.12 and the difference was minute it was something to do with the memory controler on intels.

 

[DiscoKandy]

The stock fsb is 266

DDR2 runs at Double Data Rate, so that's 533Mhz (2x266.6=533.3).
Therefore you need 533Mhz DDR2 (PC4200) to run at stock 1:1 (not 1066Mhz ram)

Most people who want to overclock get PC6400 (800Mhz) which lets you clock to 400FSB at 1:1 (2x400=800)

Ok cool, so basically at stock the FSB for the CPU on a conroe system is multiplied by 4 (266 x 4 = 1066) and the RAM is multiplied by 2 (266 x 2 = 533)?

I thought it was always best to try and match the FSB of the CPU and RAM together?

 

[snowdog]

1: 1066 quadpumped fsb , 266 real fsb ( the 1066 is someting like HTT for amd) not 5 times faster, but it is faster.

2: Same way, just put cpu in socket, as5 on it, heatsink, and done, just renmber socket 775 has pins on the mainboard not on the cpu)

3: Revised 945, all 965 and 975x (not old 975) support c2d, get a 965 for a allendale(2mb c2d) and 975x for conroe (4 mb c2d), as theyre best for them.

4: not that i know of, just intall em like any others.

5: 533(266 real) is needed for a synchronous operation between fsb and ram if not overclocked, get ddr800 (pc 6400) if you're planning to overclock ( to keep synchronous op. ), latency's dont matter much on intels.

6: nforce supports conroe, but its rubbish, if you plan using your pc on stock: no probs with nforce, if you plan to overclock however: forget nforce, its rubbish.