Considering 690 need your help

[Gregster]

Man are you just trying to be a prat? The op has not bought a gtx690 yet and was talking of a move to triple screen. We are here to offer our opinion's and i was only trying to show him that a gtx690 might not be the best way to go if thinking about triple screen.

Start with the insults because I won't agree with you

I have looked for the simplest way to explain it but you don't want to see it.

Let's take the Sunday Sport for example. Now they used to have some fantastic stories in there about buses being found on the moon and all other varying news articles. They were a good fun read but nobody believed anything they wrote. You also stated that [H] (The Sunday Sport) was not to be believed but now you have found an article in the Sunday Sport [H] which you like the look of and quote it for truth.... And you ask if I am being a prat

 

[TheRealDeal]

I think you have the wrong end of the stick - that wasn't really what I was talking about. I was just addressing the notion of dog one day and dogs goolies the next which seems to be prevalent here. Or as put here as well:

I do get that but i have used H in the past and you were the one arguing with me about there results. Gtx670oc v 7950oc if i recall correctly. I never really had a problem with H until there sleeping dogs results were shown to be way off and for the main i still don't. I then started noticing how many nvidia cards were given a H reward compared to amd cards and its clear to be seen. This round has been pretty even overall yet nvidia cards get loads of rewards compared to amd cards.

 

[Gregster]

I didn't even mention VRAM.

Have you forgotten your previous comments about how your GTX680 SLi weren't cutting it at 5760x1080? And you've got the cheek to say I'm playing dumb?

Do you live in pretend land?

Can you show me where I said that 680 SLI didn't cut it at 5760x1080? I have never once said that and stop telling lies.

This is why you keep getting yourself suspended. You go off on one over the slightest thing and you twist any post to your way of thinking. It just isn't healthy and frankly, quite desperate.

 

[spoffle]

Can you show me where I said that 680 SLI didn't cut it at 5760x1080? I have never once said that and stop telling lies.

Keep telling yourself that.

This is why you keep getting yourself suspended. You go off on one over the slightest thing and you twist any post to your way of thinking. It just isn't healthy and frankly, quite desperate.

Yeah, no. I don't keep getting suspended. Doesn't this now make you the liar?

 

[Rusty0611]

I do get that but i have used H in the past and you were the one arguing with me about there results. Gtx670oc v 7950oc if i recall correctly. I never really had a problem with H until there sleeping dogs results were shown to be way off and for the main i still don't. I then started noticing how many nvidia cards were given a H reward compared to amd cards and its clear to be seen. This round has been pretty even overall yet nvidia cards get loads of rewards compared to amd cards.

Good, there ain't no "but" then because I'm not talking about that. You keep diverging from what my interruption was but I'm not even really on about that.

The 7950 vs 670 review was rubbish. Not because they were biased... it was rubbish because the memory was about 300 MHz under what was standard for 670 so wasn't really a true overclocked comparison other than being a comparison at those specific clock speeds. So again not really related.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Start with the insults because I won't agree with you

I have looked for the simplest way to explain it but you don't want to see it.

Let's take the Sunday Sport for example. Now they used to have some fantastic stories in there about buses being found on the moon and all other varying news articles. They were a good fun read but nobody believed anything they wrote. You also stated that [H] (The Sunday Sport) was not to be believed but now you have found an article in the Sunday Sport [H] which you like the look of and quote it for truth.... And you ask if I am being a prat

I asked you a question if you were trying to be a prat. I never called you one so no insult was given. I also said nvidia bias which does not equate to blatant lies. I have used H for years and will continue to while reading around there nvidia spin. Spin can only hide a little of the truth.

 

[Kaapstad]

I have seen plenty of game benches where the GTX 690 has come out on top against a HD 7990 or two HD 7970s on 3 screens. This is not because the GTX 690 is the more powerful card (it's not) but because the drivers work more often than not.

It does not matter how much vram a card has if the drivers will not let the card use it.

 

[Gregster]

No personal attacks The op has not bought a gtx690 yet and was talking of a move to triple screen. We are here to offer our opinion's and i was only trying to show him that a gtx690 might not be the best way to go if thinking about triple screen.

Fair enough, you crack on using them. Just pay attention when I use them and defend me when I get slated

 

[bru]

I asked you a question if you were trying to be a prat. I never called you one so no insult was given.

Man are you just trying to be a prat?

If that is you not insulting someone heaven help us if you ever get angry.

 

[Rilot]

Please people. Debate things but stop with the attacks.

 

[covenantuk]

Hi guys, I am considering upgrading my 5970, I know jesus how old is that thing.

I am looking at the NVIDIA 690 to get myself right up todate. Most of My rig is just over a year old.

i7 2700k @ 3.5, 16gb DDR3, P8Z68-V PRO GEN3 Intel Z68, 850w PSU.

I currently have a 27" 2560x1440 monitor considering moving to multiple screens in coming months.

I have been looking at bottlenecks to see if the 690 is worth it as I don't plan on upgrading CPU etc just yet.

Will the 690 bottleneck with the i7 2700k?

If you;re looking to multi-monitor with 3 x 2560x1440, probably better value to get 3 x 4GB GTX670?

 

[breadturbo]

I find crossfire to be very hit and miss, some games woohoo! its brilliant, but recently after playing some more uptodate titles, ughughu its terrible.
As a CF user I have to say if you are going to spend that money and dont want to wait for the 7 series, get the 690 over the 7990 all day.

I'll be selling up and swapping for a pair of 780's soon as they're out

*edit, i also use 2560x1440

 

[Gregster]

The results have not swung the other way though rusty. They have always showed amd cfx to be faster. It's the simple fact now they are saying the game play experience was the best. Everybody knows that 7970cfx is faster than the gtx680 sli but they always maintained sli was still a better game play experience.

They play the games and don't use canned benchmark's. They always banged on about how superior sli was up until this article that now state's the superior game play experience was on the cfx 7970.

Just been reading their review on the 7990 and it isn't a pretty picture sadly.

Who's the Stutterer?

Quite simply, AMD CrossFire is the stutterer in the room. We have talked about this issue in every CrossFire versus SLI evaluation we have published for years now. We are pleased to say it felt like stuttering has been lessened a bit with AMD CrossFire. However, it is still very much a reality with Catalyst 13.5 Beta2 on Radeon HD 7990 and 7970 GHz Edition CrossFire. First of all, we experienced no difference in stuttering between the single-card Radeon HD 7990 and two-card Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFire. The amount of stutter or inconsistency felt the same between both configurations while gaming. The fact that two-GPUs are hardwired on a single PCB didn't reduce the stuttering as some might have thought. We feel that driver improvements are slowly getting there. This new driver so far as the "best" experience we've had yet in regards to stuttering.

We did feel a smoothness difference between AMD CrossFire versus NVIDIA SLI. Let me describe a moment I had while gaming on GeForce GTX 680 SLI in Crysis 3 during this evaluation. I had begun my apples-to-apples testing first with the GeForce GTX 680 SLI in Crysis 3 and was running at 5760x1200 with very high settings and SMAA 1X in the game. I started the run-through, and as I was playing through the entire level of "Safeties Off" I was borderline calling it playable at that setting. I didn't know the FPS, as when I'm recording with FRAPS the FPS is not displayed. (We do this purposefully.) Therefore, all I could feel was the game itself and I wasn't burdened with thinking in FPS at all. It was a fluid and immersive gaming experience. The game to me felt like it was playing at 40-50 FPS. Finishing up the run-through I stopped FRAPS and it read an average of 33 FPS.

I was in awe. It felt smooth, really smooth, it felt like it was running at a faster framerate than it really was. If not for some minor lag throughout the run-through, I would have called that very high setting playable based on the experience alone, without looking at the framerate. It was a shock to see the framerate so low, I really thought it was higher as I was playing. This kind of smoothness we often experience with NVIDIA SLI. This cannot be said for AMD CrossFire. It stuttered badly at very high settings and you knew, you could feel it that it wasn't playable as it negatively affected the overall gameplay and immersion. While this is a broad statement, it stands up fairly well even though there are differences using different game engines: It takes higher framerates to get a smoother experience with CrossFire than with SLI.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/04/24/amd_radeon_hd_7990_video_card_review/9

As you can see, they have nothing good to say about AMD crossfire.

 

[The Running Man]

^^^
These

However, AMD are releasing a new driver that fixes the alledged microstutter

Don't you mean that AMD are allegedly releasing a new driver that might fix microstutter?

 

[TheRealDeal]

Just been reading their review on the 7990 and it isn't a pretty picture sadly.



http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/04/24/amd_radeon_hd_7990_video_card_review/9

As you can see, they have nothing good to say about AMD crossfire.

In all my post's above did i not say they don't like crossfire. The answer is yes i did. Now in this review they said it was giving the best playable experience. Surely a stuttering mess is not the most playable experience. This one review contradicts all there others. It is the most recent though so i don't know whats going on there. They might not have anything good to say about cfx in that article but in there most recent article they say 7970cf give the best playable experience. They do say things have improved in the new beta's but still not as good as sli yet. You do have to take into consideration the 7970's are putting out more fps which probably smooths the game out more to compensate.

 

[Gregster]

In all my post's above did i not say they don't like crossfire. The answer is yes i did. Now in this review they said it was giving the best playable experience. Surely a stuttering mess is not the most playable experience. This one review contradicts all there others. It is the most recent though so i don't know whats going on there. They might not have anything good to say about cfx in that article but in there most recent article they say 7970cf give the best playable experience. They do say things have improved in the new beta's but still not as good as sli yet. You do have to take into consideration the 7970's are putting out more fps which probably smooths the game out more to compensate.

So Kyle's review that states "Crossfire 7970's is the best experience" can be used but Kyle's experience that states "Crossfire 7970 is a stuttering mess" can't be used?

You see why I pulled you up on it now? In one review, he tells us how bad 7970CF is and in the very next review, 7970CF is the best experience. This crap is just too funny to be taken serious.

 

[Tonester0011]

If i had enough money i could probably make him say Tony was the best experience and Greg was just a stuttering mess

 

[Gregster]

If i had enough money i could probably make him say Tony was the best experience and Greg was just a stuttering mess

Wh-hh-hhat yyyyyoooooouuuuuuu me me me mean?

I see you paid him already

 

[Rusty0611]

Exactly .

Gospel one second but not the next

 

[TheRealDeal]

So Kyle's review that states "Crossfire 7970's is the best experience" can be used but Kyle's experience that states "Crossfire 7970 is a stuttering mess" can't be used?

You see why I pulled you up on it now? In one review, he tells us how bad 7970CF is and in the very next review, 7970CF is the best experience. This crap is just too funny to be taken serious.

Where once did i say it could not be used. You are just making it up as you go along. I said in a few quotes this is what i find weird about it. He does state crossfire needs higher numbers to be as smooth as sli and it clearly gets them. He does state that the new beta's have improved the stuttering and hopefully it can only get better.