Considering this build for gaming PC any advice please

[Plec]

@Plec, well, yes....I'm not too sure why he didn't just use a series of bean cans glued together...or an orange box

It's OK, he's been around the block and knows what he's doing - he's just lacking time, sleep and energy (kids).

Once he's got access to a 3D printer, and the rest of his parts, it will transform from a hybrid of components into the equivalent of an ATX Tardis.

It's real project name is 'Square Peg, Round Hole' - @orbitalwalsh just hasn't officially adopted it yet

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Sliger will eventually get the cash I need... At an extremely high price tag !

 

[Bob Skidmore]

Hmmmm damn, now I have another dilemma, during my search I have been reading quite a few reports of the AMD Ryzen 3000 series chips being very finnicky about what RAM they will work with, to the point that people have bought new MoBo's RAM etc only to find that the MoBo will not POST. It seems to cause quite a bit of grief with returning ram chips and trial and error to get ones that work. Is the Ryzen 3900 really worth all that trouble or would the Intel i9 be a much safer bet?

 

[Joxeon]

Hmmmm damn, now I have another dilemma, during my search I have been reading quite a few reports of the AMD Ryzen 3000 series chips being very finnicky about what RAM they will work with, to the point that people have bought new MoBo's RAM etc only to find that the MoBo will not POST. It seems to cause quite a bit of grief with returning ram chips and trial and error to get ones that work. Is the Ryzen 3900 really worth all that trouble or would the Intel i9 be a much safer bet?

Ram issues were quite common on the previous gen chips but it's very rare to have issues now. If you want to be certain then grab something off the motherboard qvl or buy Samsung b-die ram.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

X570 board, 3600 ram and Zen 2 (Ryzen 3***) should be plug and play with XMP enabled in bios .

 

[Bob Skidmore]

it's the QVL stuff on the X570 that I've been reading about on this forum. Someone enable XMP and the motherboard refused to POST afterwards. It seemed to be a recurring theme.

 

[Joxeon]

it's the QVL stuff on the X570 that I've been reading about on this forum. Someone enable XMP and the motherboard refused to POST afterwards. It seemed to be a recurring theme.

There's always going to be someone who has problems, it's probably the same with Intel it's just that with amd outselling Intel like 5-1 there will be more people having problems with amd.

 

[EsaT]

it's the QVL stuff on the X570 that I've been reading about on this forum. Someone enable XMP and the motherboard refused to POST afterwards. It seemed to be a recurring theme.

Most mobo makers update QVLs hardly ever.
So plenty of new perfectly working memories can appear without any sighting in those lists.
Basically exactly same hardware can appear under multiple colours and names.

While on the other hand there's no quarantee that maker of some basic level memories won't change used DRAM chips into something else marginally working.
Heck, Corsair's kit in this thread even had vastly different DIMMs in it and it might be down to horoscopes and positions of planets how well that works:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ram-query-bsods-windows-10.18878193/

"Buildzoid" took memories apart quite thoroughly in this:

 

[orbitalwalsh]

@EsaT is right.. For Mobo and Ram rendors to get QVL updated is a MASSIVE UNDERTAKING .

Just picture one Person having to Test 1 stick up to 4 of One vendors 3000hz ram . thats already 4 tests and most vendors have about 3/6 models or version tweaks over its lifespan. Then you've got to test it will current 2-16 core CPUs. And then remembering school maths/science experiments you'll want to do this min 3 times with good 4 hours stress testing .

and even corsair acknowledge its they use so many different IC and will swap around to what ever makes profile at that Quarter

 

[EsaT]

MASSIVE UNDERTAKING

I believe correct word is insane...
Or at least that would be the likely mental state of people having to do testing after few months and new BIOSes.

 

[Joxeon]

I brought ram that wasnt on the QVL and never had any issues. I did my research and went with binned B-die as I wanted to get the most out of my ram and also if the new zen 3 chips comming later this year are able to run a higher than 1900 fclk and increase ram speeds to like 4000+ i would be covered.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

I believe correct word is insane...
Or at least that would be the likely mental state of people having to do testing after few months and new BIOSes.

also got vendors differing opinions - ASUS go for 2 dim testing over 4, and for a while dominated RAM overclocking with MSI on par and Gigabyte testing full 4 dim population more - in the thinking its better for long run then who's fastest game.

I brought ram that wasnt on the QVL and never had any issues. I did my research and went with binned B-die as I wanted to get the most out of my ram and also if the new zen 3 chips comming later this year are able to run a higher than 1900 fclk and increase ram speeds to like 4000+ i would be covered.

sure IC from samsung are due a Die shrink which will help hopefully (for future Zen buyers)

 

[EsaT]

sure IC from samsung are due a Die shrink which will help hopefully (for future Zen buyers)

Newer DRAM chips are primarily designed to make them cheaper to make, not better.
B-die might be actually Samsung's oldest DDR4 in volume production with its old 20nm manufacturing node.

 

[Bob Skidmore]

ooooh heck. Just go with it then and hope for the best

 

[Bob Skidmore]

OK, so now the fun begins, I have pushed the buy button on the following:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

• 1 x Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro WIFI Intel Z390 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £194.99
• 1 x Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail= £529.99
• 1 x Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER Gaming OC 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card= £728.99
• 1 x Super Flower Leadex III ARGB 850W 80 PLUS Gold Modular Power Supply - Black= £124.99
• 1 x Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Pure Black CPU Cooler with Dual 140m Fans= £94.99
• 1 x Team Group Xtreem "8Pack Edition" 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-32000C18 4000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black= £158.99
• 1 x WD Black 1TB SN750 M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS100T3X0C)= £169.99
• 1 x Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (3.5g)= £6.49
• 1 x Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Full Tower Case - Black (CC-9011078-WW)= £142.99

Total: £2,167.11 (includes shipping: £14.70)​

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So hopefully now I will be able to play Windows 10 Solitair at full resolution

On the subject of Windows 10, somewhere, while trawling these halls of encyclopaedic information, I caught a glimpse of someone saying "get windows 10 for a couple of quid from you know where" If anyone can help me with the WHERE part of that could you message me please?

All the best
Bob