Console performance vs PCs over time

[Guest2]

Rubbish.

Even with aim assist a kb and mouse player would destroy a pad player of the same ability.

Which is why famous streamer Dr lupo has been called out many times for using a kb and mouse on console in games with aim assist.

Yes he's a good player but he's using a mouse which makes it very one sided.

I have both but anyone suggesting it's okay to use kb and mouse to play against pads on console doesn't have a clue.

Rubbish. Have you played COD MW?

I tried connecting my PS4 pad, the aim assist locked on to a player from quite a great distance like a target homing device. It was easy to get kills with a pistol which on keybaord and mouse would have needed a lot greater aim ability.
My friend has a PS4 and he decided to disable aim assist for a custom game against me, he was rubbish and managed to get 1 kill the whole game. With it switched back on he was pretty level with me. Granted im not a perfect FPS player, but have been playing on and off since the days of Medal of honour allied assault and Soldier of furture 2. Playing with keybaord and mouse for around 20 years

 

[bfar]

The chart shows what we all know. Consoles caught up briefly each generation but got left for dust as PC hardware iterated annually, or even more frequently sometimes. I think anyone who loves gaming will be invested in more than one ecosystem. The PC has traditionally been the most powerful platform but also the most open, radical and flexible.

I must admit to have been seriously impressed by some of Sony's exclusives over the years. God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, among others would have turned the heads of even the most die hard PC gamers. Real achievements in game development.

 

[VincentHanna]

Before the Xbox game pass I would have said: If you can afford it and you like games, just buy all the consoles and a PC.

(I have a Nintendo Switch, PS4 Pro, Xbox One X and decent PC)

Now though, it doesn't really make sense to own a PC and an Xbox.

 

[ralv585]

Just to touch on keyboard and mouse, I understand it's better when playing FPS, but I personally would always prefer to play on pad for the rumble feedback when pressing the trigger, just feels more immersive and satisfying.

I own a PC and PS4/Switch, and I see the benefits of both the PC and console, but for me, I do prefer the console, however.

I enjoy the exclusives like Uncharted, Last of Us, GOW etc, but I still have an interest in PC games like the new Flight Simulator coming out and Assesto Corsa Competizione.

With console gaming, I know I'm going to get the exact same experience as my friend who owns the same console, but if I'm playing on PC, I might encounter micro-stutter, hard crashes, games not launching (literally happened to me when I recently tried to play The Witcher 3 and felt nostalgic with Crysis), whereas my friend might have a seamless experience.

I just want to sit down and play, not worry about looking at the frame counter, wacking up the settings to max, and pine over what my experience would be like if I spent another £600+ on a better graphics card.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Rubbish. Have you played COD MW?

I tried connecting my PS4 pad, the aim assist locked on to a player from quite a great distance like a target homing device. It was easy to get kills with a pistol which on keybaord and mouse would have needed a lot greater aim ability.
My friend has a PS4 and he decided to disable aim assist for a custom game against me, he was rubbish and managed to get 1 kill the whole game. With it switched back on he was pretty level with me. Granted im not a perfect FPS player, but have been playing on and off since the days of Medal of honour allied assault and Soldier of furture 2. Playing with keybaord and mouse for around 20 years

I should have guessed a COD player. Your opinions on gaming tbh are completely invalid. Carry on.

Try a game like Apex or Destiny where aiming actually is a determination of skill and not designed for 12 year olds. Or for PC CS:GO. I'm currently LEM in CS:GO fyi.

 

[Haggisman]

I love it when people say consoles should use mouse and KB. lol

console isn't a pc it's different. majority play on couches. they have standardised hardware. that means controllers. allowing mouse and keyboard would be akin to allowing bionic arms in weightlifting at the olympics. it's a retarded concept as we all know how much more accurate a mouse is over a controller.

therefore it will never be implemented. so why demand it in the first place?

I'm not demanding it, I'm saying that until they do (i.e. never), they will never be a valid replacement for a PC.

console isn't a pc it's different.

Then why are we arguing whether one is better than the other?

A console is a gaming machine. It does that one single thing well. If all you ever play is controller oriented AAA games, then they (generally) do that better cost-for-cost (at launch) than a PC. If all you want is a machine you can take out of the box, stick a disc in, and have on OK gaming experience, then by all means, save a few ££ and buy an xbox or playstation.

Start taking other factors into account however and a PC is objectively better. It can do anything a console can do and more, and you don't need to spend 4 figures to get to that point. I did a big upgrade just before christmas; 3600x CPU, b450 motherboard, 16gb 3600mhz RAM, 5700xt, total of £730 (and arguably my 980ti would have lasted a while longer), I sold my 980ti for £150, and probably could have gotten the same for my old CPU/RAM/Motherboard, but instead I built a PC for my son. So, after selling the old bits, a total of ~£430 for an upgrade - that's only ~25% more than a console at launch. Seems a very small premium to pay given the advantages!

This is like saying that a Nokia 3310 is better than a modern Android/iPhone. Sure, they both make phone calls, you could argue that the Nokia is a bit better in this regard as the battery lasts longer and if you drop it it's less likely to break, and of course it's going to be cheaper (not sure where (or even if!) you could actually buy one these days, but I'd hazard a guess they'd be around £20), so if you don't need any of the other features, like internet, email, colour screen, music etc. then sure, don't spend the extra £100 or so, but it's very difficult to argue that overall the Nokia is better, since the smartphone can do everything the Nokia can and more.

 

[Guest2]

I should have guessed a COD player. Your opinions on gaming tbh are completely invalid. Carry on.

Try a game like Apex or Destiny where aiming actually is a determination of skill and not designed for 12 year olds. Or for PC CS:GO. I'm currently LEM in CS:GO fyi.

Lol. COD is rather arcade. I've played CS:GO, great game
Though COD is just more fun with mates on console, even if they play on a joypad with aim assist

RTS games like Starcraft 2 being played on joypad would be interesting. Wasnt C&C released on PS1

 

[Guest2]

I'm not demanding it, I'm saying that until they do (i.e. never), they will never be a valid replacement for a PC.

Then why are we arguing whether one is better than the other?

I think he just likes to argue, probably has nothing better to do or is just bored stuck inside like everyone

 

[Haggisman]

Lol. COD is rather arcade. I've played CS:GO, great game
Though COD is just more fun with mates on console, even if they play on a joypad with aim assist

RTS games like Starcraft 2 being played on joypad would be interesting. Wasnt C&C released on PS1

Pretty sure it was Red Alert, I remember carting my Playstation over to a mates house, going halves on the special link cable, putting a couple of TVs back to back (massive CRTs, none of this slim & light flatscreen rubbish), and playing most of the night.

It was terrible - after about half an hour, the number of units in the game would cause the performance to tank and the whole thing would become really laggy.

Still as a 14 year old, it was great fun XD

Strangely, I never had the same issue* playing Starcraft with said mate on PC around the same time period. It's almost as if one of the systems were better suited to it!

Supreme Commander 2 was also released on xbox 360 I believe. I'm not sure if that was the reason, or something else, but it wasn't a patch on the original

* It was however really annoying when my mum would forget and pick up the phone, causing the game to drop out

 

[adam cool dude]

Pretty sure it was Red Alert, I remember carting my Playstation over to a mates house, going halves on the special link cable, putting a couple of TVs back to back (massive CRTs, none of this slim & light flatscreen rubbish), and playing most of the night.

It was terrible - after about half an hour, the number of units in the game would cause the performance to tank and the whole thing would become really laggy.

Still as a 14 year old, it was great fun XD

Strangely, I never had the same issue* playing Starcraft with said mate on PC around the same time period. It's almost as if one of the systems were better suited to it!

Supreme Commander 2 was also released on xbox 360 I believe. I'm not sure if that was the reason, or something else, but it wasn't a patch on the original

* It was however really annoying when my mum would forget and pick up the phone, causing the game to drop out

We used to go to an internet café and play 16 player Lan match's on our breaks at sixth form. Mostly Counter Strike but we had the odd match of RA too. You don't get that same feeling when playing online.

 

[Haggisman]

We used to go to an internet café and play 16 player Lan match's on our breaks at sixth form. Mostly Counter Strike but we had the odd match of RA too. You don't get that same feeling when playing online.

Haha, yeah we used to do the same. Still have a few family & friends gatherings a year where we all bring our PCs, lots of beer and play a load of LAN games over a long weekend.

 

[Arcane]

LAN parties are always great fun. My friend passed out whilst carrying a monitor (never found out why exactly but it had been a "heavy" night) and fell headfirst into the fireplace, he managed to miss any kind of injury, his head went perfectly in the bit where the coal goes and the monitor landed on his chest without breaking or even scratching it, just the weirdest thing.

 

[Guest2]

* It was however really annoying when my mum would forget and pick up the phone, causing the game to drop out

Haha, good memories. I played a Redalert game over 33.6k modem with a mate, it went on almost 3 hours. My dad was fuming when the phone bill arrived

 

[Guest2]

Supreme Commander 2 was also released on xbox 360 I believe. I'm not sure if that was the reason, or something else, but it wasn't a patch on the original

Just had a quick look. It doesnt even look like the same game on Xbox 360

360

PC

Any game that requires good CPU is basically crippled on console.

 

[Luckystrike123]

I'm not a console gamer by any means but you have to compare apples to apples. The price of a console is much cheaper than a good graphics card, let alone a full system.

 

[Boge]

Things are changing. PC gaming was a chore back in the 80's. Anyone remember what you had to go through to get something to even run back then?

Conventional Memory? Autoexec.bat? Config.sys?

I've gone back over to console gaming. It's where I started with Sega etc. PC became king. Until recently.

I love my Xbox One X. I like the fact that I don't have to dick around anymore.

There are no variables. And I seriously can't wait for the Xbox Series X.

My 10 year old i52500k PC is like a vintage car to me. I love it. And we had some great times together.

But times have moved on.

 

[Angilion]

Things are changing. PC gaming was a chore back in the 80's. Anyone remember what you had to go through to get something to even run back then?

Conventional Memory? Autoexec.bat? Config.sys?

I've gone back over to console gaming. It's where I started with Sega etc. PC became king. Until recently.

I love my Xbox One X. I like the fact that I don't have to dick around anymore.

There are no variables. And I seriously can't wait for the Xbox Series X.

My 10 year old i52500k PC is like a vintage car to me. I love it. And we had some great times together.

But times have moved on.

I wouldn't call a lack of options a massive advantage. Also, comparing PC gaming in the 1980s with console gaming today is obviously wrong. It's been a long time since people had to edit autoexec.bat and config.sys to free up enough of the 640KB to get a game to run. You may as well cite how long an extremely simple game takes to load on a ZX Spectrum as a disadvantage of PCs today.

If you want to treat a PC as a games console, you "don't have to dick around anymore" with a PC either. Consoles are a bit simpler to use, maybe, but not by the extreme amount you suggest. Use a launcher, use whatever settings the system imposes on you for the game (i.e. just like a console) and that's it. You can buy your games through the launcher. You don't even have to see the desktop if you don't want to.

 

[theone8181]

Found this one? Looks legit.

 

[VincentHanna]

I wouldn't call a lack of options a massive advantage. Also, comparing PC gaming in the 1980s with console gaming today is obviously wrong. It's been a long time since people had to edit autoexec.bat and config.sys to free up enough of the 640KB to get a game to run. You may as well cite how long an extremely simple game takes to load on a ZX Spectrum as a disadvantage of PCs today.

If you want to treat a PC as a games console, you "don't have to dick around anymore" with a PC either. Consoles are a bit simpler to use, maybe, but not by the extreme amount you suggest. Use a launcher, use whatever settings the system imposes on you for the game (i.e. just like a console) and that's it. You can buy your games through the launcher. You don't even have to see the desktop if you don't want to.

I still get the odd crash to desktop on PC. Had a few recently on DOOM: Eternal and now and again on Hitman 2.

Doesn't happen on console.

 

[Funky-Melon]

I still get the odd crash to desktop on PC. Had a few recently on DOOM: Eternal and now and again on Hitman 2.

Doesn't happen on console.

I've been playing Ori and the Will of the Wisps on xbox recently and I've had a few crashes to the home screen and one complete system lockup that required a hard reset.

It can and does happen on console.