Constant net connection no longer required for Ubisoft games

I understand that this DRM was a pain for some people. For me it was no problem though if i had a dodgy wireless connection e.g. 3 mobile dongle, then it had potential to make you scream.

To the point that non-tech savvy people don't learn how to crack as its a little more difficult than before and then just buy the games i believe demonstrates more a personal flaw than a win for DRM.

I have cracked plenty of CD must be in the tray games. Personally i like EA's new net check for games like BFBC2. I don;t mind a quick talk with their servers from my PC.
 
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Amnesia said:
really ? from the top of my head
... constant internet connection no internet ? no play

are pirates affected ? nope
are paying customers affected ? yes
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OK Amnesia -- let's look at your logic here with regards to lockable windows on your house, I can do this for 500 other security systems if you want ..:

Putting a lock on your windows:

You need to unlock the window before you open it on a hot summer day

Are thieves that smash the window affected? Nope
Are people with lockable windows affected? Yep

You need to clean the lock or it will look scruffy


Are thieves that smash the window affected? Nope
Are people with lockable windows affected? Yep

You have a greater risk getting locked out of your house accidentally as you can't climb into a locked window

Are thieves that smash the window affected? Nope
Are people with lockable windows affected? Yep

You have to oil the lock once every few years

Are thieves that smash the window affected? Nope
Are people with lockable windows affected? Yep

It ups the price of new windows when you're also paying for locks

Are thieves that smash the window affected? Nope
Are people with lockable windows affected? Yep


So the question is AMNESIA - do you have locks on your windows?


You see the problem with your argument yet? Would you suggest no-one bothers putting locks on their windows and that window locks are evil because of the amount of grief they cause? seriously - lol?
 
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britboy4321 said:
My wife's cousin copies games if it's easy, otherwise buys them. Same with my fat mother in law and her Nintendo DS. She had 105 games on the memory card, then bought a 'big screen' DS that protected against it, and doesn't know how to 'crack' it so buys the games. In fact same with loads of 'non-techy' folk I know ..
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britboy4321 said:
But my 9 year old cousin has never heard of Razor1911 or what a 'crack' is and certainly doesn't have a clue how to get/install one..

He installs the game from his mates original disk using the same code, printed on the back. If it works, he plays it. If it doesn't, he buys the original because he has never heard of Razor1911 or bit torrent or anything else remotely similar etc. Nor has ANYONE on my football team. Or my bar tender. Or my mum. Or 95% of the closest 100 people to you RIGHT NOW.

For all these people, DRM DIRECTLY STOPS COPYING. Simple stuff here fella, honestly..

Is it pretty on your planet?
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does it stop your internet connection or something .... or maybe hit ur dvd drive with a hammer ?


just curious, so where did your mother in law get her games from ?
 
Amnesia said:
ok above is what i read of your post and yes it did make me seriously LOL :p


im still laughing that you typed all that out windows ....
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Me too. It's so easy to apply your daft 'DRM is evilz because life would be better if we didn't need this security system' logic to every other single security system in the entire world, makes a mockery of the whole gig!

You must hate car keys eh? After all, anyone could read on t'net how to hotwire cars, so why should we be forced to bother with car keys at all eh? lololol I like your arguments they make me smile ..
 
I boycott any games which enforce limited activations or a constant internet connection, which means that I've not bought any Ubisoft games since Far cry 2.

It's strange that Ubisoft haven't publicised this change to their DRM system - if they really cared about their customers they'd have let them know, after all you have to register an account to play their recent PC games, so they have the email addresses.

Still, this doesn't go far enough for me. With Steam I can play all my single player games completely offline, but Ubisoft's system still requires a net connection every time you launch the game.
 
britboy4321 said:
But my 9 year old cousin has never heard of Razor1911 or what a 'crack' is and certainly doesn't have a clue how to get/install one..

He installs the game from his mates original disk using the same code, printed on the back. If it works, he plays it. If it doesn't, he buys the original because he has never heard of Razor1911 or bit torrent or anything else remotely similar etc. Nor has ANYONE on my football team. Or my bar tender. Or my mum. Or 95% of the closest 100 people to you RIGHT NOW.

For all these people, DRM DIRECTLY STOPS COPYING. Simple stuff here fella, honestly..

Is it pretty on your planet?
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then tbh a cd check will be enough, why require a contant internet connection? If most people dont know how to get a crack then this DRM is useless as it annoys more people then a cd check. The thing is they will never stop piracy, all they can do is slow it down. I myself never purchased this game all because of the drm, and if this is the future i can see myself buying the games but using the pirate version as it would be less of a headache.
 
britboy4321 said:
Me too. It's so easy to apply your daft 'DRM is evilz because life would be better if we didn't need this security system' logic to every other single security system in the entire world, makes a mockery of the whole gig!

You must hate car keys eh? After all, anyone could read on t'net how to hotwire cars, so why should we be forced to bother with car keys at all eh? lololol I like your arguments they make me smile ..
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but i didnt say drm is evilz :p

steam is a form of DRM, one which i find acceptable as it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the game.

but having x amount of installs is unacceptable for me...i dont want to go through the hassle of contacting support for more installs and explaining why i upgraded my computer to them.

i also didnt like having to put the dvd always in the drive and a cracked .exe made life so much more relaxing :p

and there is no way i am paying for a game which requires a constant internet connection just for the single player....no internet no multiplayer makes sense as your internet isnt working :p
no internet and you cant even play singleplayer until you're back online comes across as retarded ****.


now car keys ehh :p

car keys don't stop the owner from driving his car ......or do you have special made keys ?
 
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kidkhaos said:
then tbh a cd check will be enough, why require a contant internet connection? If most people dont know how to get a crack then this DRM is useless as it annoys more people then a cd check. The thing is they will never stop piracy, all they can do is slow it down. I myself never purchased this game all because of the drm, and if this is the future i can see myself buying the games but using the pirate version as it would be less of a headache.
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Indeed just like security systems will never stop car theft, but modern day car keys with their radio codes and what-not certainly stem the tide.

'But some crims still know how to get past all the security a car key offers and nick a car, and poor legitimate car owners could lose their car key, so we should stop requiring keys to start a car' will never be a decent argument .. anti-DRM spiel is kinda the same fundamentally flawed argument if you ask me ..
 
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thats the thing though, any drm will be cracked and anyone who can find a nocd crack will find cracks for all the newer drm. So pirates dont really lose much. Thats why i really hate this drm because it shows me the ubisoft think that they can stop piracy and because this method doesnt work they will try another more extreme method and when thats cracked they find another and so on and so. Like amnesia above im not against drm and steam is a brilliant example of one thats done right.
 
Martini1991 said:
Britboy doesn't understand :p
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Like the large majority here, I buy all my games (mostly from Steam now). However, I refuse to buy anything that requires an always on internet connection. Britboy obviously never gets problems with his internet connection and never wants to use a laptop to play single player on a long-haul plane journey. ;)

He be trollin'.
 
I also like this Ubisoft DRM. I could play SCC & AC2 seamlessly as well as HAWX2 & POP 2010. The Ubisoft servers kept all my save games & config settings on 2 different PC's so I could game on either & my settings/saves were always perfectly synced! I can even uninstall a game come back to it next year & my saves are still on the Ubi servers after an OS rebuild.

I would like this DRM on more games not less it has no activation limits, no DVD is required after install & there is no limit to the number of machines you can install.

The only limit is that the game can only be played by the uplay account its registered to & only by 1 person at any one time.

Compare this DRM to Securom with its activation limits its miles ahead!!
 
Good news, ridiculous DRM, although I wish they just got rid of it entirely, or stuck to a DVD checks to stop the casual copying.

Comparing DRM to anything in the 'real world' is stupid, as download something illegally is not stealing, its duplicating. It doesn't remove the original.
 
britboy4321 said:
Indeed just like security systems will never stop car theft, but modern day car keys with their radio codes and what-not certainly stem the tide.

'But some crims still know how to get past all the security a car key offers and nick a car, and poor legitimate car owners could lose their car key, so we should stop requiring keys to start a car' will never be a decent argument .. anti-DRM spiel is kinda the same fundamentally flawed argument if you ask me ..
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Hang on, Im actually having a hard time trying to understand the angle your trying to come from here....

You like DRM

You dont seem to grasp how coders operate to crack said DRM

And that cracking the DRM allows full use of said game, just without the drawbacks of the DRM which has now been cracked...


BUT

(This is the bit I got caught out on) The argument that because the security keeps getting cracked, it must be made tougher - This argument that is put forth by Anti-DRM advocates about how fruitless the constant security increases are (because at the end of the day coders still crack it)---- Is a fundamentally flawed Argument?


WAIT, IVE GOT IT!!!

Lets go back to your windows (the DRM) that are on your house.

I break into your house through your locked windows and steal your stuff. You replace the windows with STRONGER ones

I break into your house AGAIN and steal more of your stuff. You think, ok, Ill just get a STRONGER WINDOW.

Im perfectly happy for you to do this, because as the coder (or window maker if you like) I know HOW YOUR WINDOWS WORK SO I CAN ALWAYS BREAK IN!

But because your just the consumer, you keep thinking that buying a stronger window will stop me.

Wake up to reality, it wont.
 
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I recently had to contact EA support as I could not play my legitimate Crysis (bought on steam). Granted they sorted it out in under twenty minutes from me sending the support ticket but a pirate would not have had to. And let's face it - any noob can use torrents these days. Copying from your friends discs indeed? Can't see that happening much in the last five years with internet speeds as they are :P
 
Some indie Dev's views on DRM (Click links to see full postings).
Introversion.
Also, why does debating piracy always bring out the worst in people? It's like everyone has to take such a hard line. In the UK there in an advert that plays before every movie you see in the cinema - in giant letters it proclaims "Would you steal a ladies purse? Would you steal a DVD from a shop? PIRACY IS THEFT!" Well i'm sorry, it's isn't, piracy is Copyright Infrigement. In earlier versions of the advert it actually used to say "PIRACY FUNDS TERRORISM". If you're going to argue a case, you need to at least be rational about it.

DRM is an extremely contentious issue, and I believe it's because many developers have made a total hash of it - installing DRM systems that get in the way, refuse to let you play your game, mess up your computer, even open you up to hackers. I genuinely believe that the DRM issue is solvable for the developers and the customers, in a way which encourages purchases of your game, rather than protecting against copying, and in a way which is essentially invisible to legitimate users. And I don't believe anybody will have a problem with it if we can get those two areas right.
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World of Goo's creator
Carmel, speaking at this year's Game Developers Conference, says implementing DRM is pointless, particularly for cash-strapped indie developers. "Don't bother with DRM--it's a waste of time. You just end up giving the DRM provider money. Anything that is of interest gets cracked, and the cracked version ends up having a better user experience than the legit version because you don't have to input in some 32-character serial number," he said.

"Anybody who wants the game is likely to find it on BitTorrent sites. It's going to get cracked even with DRM, it's going to be available very quickly, so we don't see the point in having DRM. Piracy rates have been released before, and there's no difference between World of Goo and other games."
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Positehc Games.
Positech sent out an open letter to people who pirate their games, asking why. Article has links to the original letter, and the replies.
 
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