Controversial steroids thread...

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Simple - I'm interested in people's opinions. Steroids are evident in most sports now, from Mr McGuire in Baseball to Football, track and field and wrestling (Hey, I had to get it in somehwere).

On top of that, the recent availability of human growth hormone ofcourse, expensive as it is!!!

I personally quite approve of steroids under certain circumstances - it's a personal choice and all that. Speaking competitively though, I disapprove completely and agree that ALL athletes should be reguarly checked.

Anyone else want to chip in?

What about HG/Insulin/D-Bol/Sust/Decca stacking. Serious stuff and does scary things to you possibly. Are these risks calculated and smart? Or are you playing with your health and life?

Discuss... :)

Majik
 
You approve of steroids?

I disapprove in any and all ways.

Nadralone hasn't been found in any football players other than Dutch ones has it? Though Bosnich is under suspicion ATM of Coke use iirc.

People use steroids in Wrestling? :confused:

Why would they do that? Surely it'd be just to look better? It ain't like WWF/WWE or whatever they call it now is real, or are you on about proper wrestling?
 
Hmm.......personally I think that it's like anything, in moderation it's fine.

Problem is that once you start steroids and see the results that you can get from even 1 month then it becomes psychologically addictive. (for the record I'm strictly a protein and creatine man)

If you can cope with occasional use then I think it's up to the individual and I have no problem with it. I do however have a problem with it when your training partner takes them and doubles his size while you stay the same !!

I have to say that I was tempted to try them a few years back when my mate suddenly increased his lifts by 15-20kg in the space of about a week, cheating git!!
 
I think what he is saying, is that for personal use there is no problem as it is your own choice. But to use it in competitive sports, is wrong.

Nandrolone (sp?) has not been found in any footballers, the test is highly flawed, and does not show that there was ever a presence of nandrolone in the body. It just looks for the presence of the enzymes that Nandrolone breaks down into, how many other natural chemical break down into these enzymes, god knows.
 
Muscles fill up with crap?

Only if you are oil filling for false peaks. Steroids and HGH have different effects, but most if not all are simply there to produce testosterone and allow your muscles to take in more protein, recover quicker and allow you to work out harder.

Cheating yourself? Depends on what you are aiming for. If you can grow and maintain your body, then why not? A lot of people take roids not for strength but for either gaining size or stripping fat. If you can maintain the shape after the course has left you, surely it is now your work? Call it a push start...

The defence puts forward the statement:

Assuming the risks are minimal, using roids is simply helping nature speed along.

Discuss more.

Majik
 
The use of steroids for competitive sport is in my opinion a 'Big No No!', at the end of the day, what is the point of using enhancements such as these drugs. It defeats that point / and spirit of any game/sport. If you do condone it, then why don't we just allow people to build robots/machines to compete aswell?

As for the muscles filling up etc, a good friend of mine was heavily into them, and i must say that when he was on them it was simply awesome to see what he could lift in the gym, it basically allowed him to double his weight lifting capabilities. But, that was 10yrs ago, i saw him recently, and even though he is now off the steroids (For some strange reason he was having massive mood swings, he didn't suffer them before the steroids, and he hasn't suffered from them since stopping the steroids!) he has lost quite a bit of his strength, and also his 'drive' to 'pump' to the max when he goes to the gym. This has meant that he has started to go from Heavily Muscled to Gut-Muscled (Ie Imagine you atypical bouncer with the big bull neck and big gut!).

The use of steroids medicinally is a differen't topis altogether, as without them, i personally know that a member of my familly would have dies 10-15 yrs before she did (my gran), as she had to take them for Asthma/Emphysema (sp) that she suffered from. This is something i can condone whole heartedly.
 
Effects of anabolic steroids


Hormonal system

Steroid abuse disrupts the normal production of hormones in the body, causing both reversible and irreversible changes. Changes that can be reversed include reduced sperm production and shrinking of the testicles (testicular atrophy). Irreversible changes include male-pattern baldness and breast development (gynecomastia). In one study of male bodybuilders, more than half had testicular atrophy, and more than half had gynecomastia. Gynecomastia is thought to occur due to the disruption of normal hormone balance. In the female body, anabolic steroids cause masculinization. Breast size and body fat decrease, the skin becomes coarse, the clitoris enlarges, and the voice deepens. Women may experience excessive growth of body hair but lose scalp hair. With continued administration of steroids, some of these effects are irreversible.

Musculoskeletal system

Rising levels of testosterone and other sex hormones normally trigger the growth spurt that occurs during puberty and adolescence. Subsequently, when these hormones reach certain levels, they signal the bones to stop growing, locking a person into his or her maximum height.

When a child or adolescent takes anabolic steroids, the resulting artificially high sex hormone levels can signal the bones to stop growing sooner than they normally would have done.

Cardiovascular system

Steroid abuse has been associated with cardiovascular diseases (CVD), including heart attacks and strokes, even in athletes younger than 30. Steroids contribute to the development of CVD, partly by changing the levels of lipoproteins that carry cholesterol in the blood. Steroids, particularly the oral types, increase the level of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) and decrease the level of high-density lipoprotein (HDL). High LDL and low HDL levels increase the risk of atherosclerosis, a condition in which fatty substances are deposited inside arteries and disrupt blood flow. If blood is prevented from reaching the heart, the result can be a heart attack. If blood is prevented from reaching the brain, the result can be a stroke.

Steroids also increase the risk that blood clots will form in blood vessels, potentially disrupting blood flow and damaging the heart muscle so that it does not pump blood effectively.

Liver

Steroid abuse has been associated with liver tumors and a rare condition called peliosis hepatis, in which blood-filled cysts form in the liver. Both the tumors and the cysts sometimes rupture, causing internal bleeding.

Skin

Steroid abuse can cause acne, cysts, and oily hair and skin.

Infection

Many abusers who inject anabolic steroids use nonsterile injection techniques or share contaminated needles with other abusers. In addition, some steroid preparations are manufactured illegally under non-sterile conditions. These factors put abusers at risk for acquiring life-threatening viral infections, such as HIV and hepatitis B and C. Abusers also can develop infective endocarditis, a bacterial illness that causes a potentially fatal inflammation of the inner lining of the heart. Bacterial infections also can cause pain and abscess formation at injection sites.
 
Originally posted by Gilly

People use steroids in Wrestling? :confused:

Why would they do that? Surely it'd be just to look better? It ain't like WWF/WWE or whatever they call it now is real, or are you on about proper wrestling?

yes this is strange


most steroids dont actually help how you look, but rather allow you to perform longer and at higher rates with quicker recovery times.


i also find it very strange that the original poster approves of steroids!! :confused: :confused:
 
Why should it be strange that I approve of steroids? It's a personal choice thing as far as I'm concerned, barring roid rage, it hurts no-one but yourself. No worse than smoking etc....

To say that WWE don't use steroids is somewhat naive. The guys on there train long and hard, and work long and hard ot do what they do, but people the size of Hunter, Batista and Scott Steiner don't just pop out fomr the floorboards I'm afraid. Even Rey Jr has got A LOT bigger since joining WWE.

Steroids are a way of life in many sports, but these sports (and the ones I think it's fine in) are those that are based around looks and are non-athletic competitively. Wrestling (Pro), bodybuiding, and to a lesser extent MMA.

What's so bad in wanting to look your absolute best? Would you tune in to WWE if their world champion was fourteen stone? Probably not. I've seen (and met) a lot of those guys and you don't realise just how big they are. Even people like Hurricane and Matt Hardy are 17+ stone - but they are standing next to the immense sizes of Kanes and Takers, so don't look so big.

Majik
 
Originally posted by MajikNWA
Why should it be strange that I approve of steroids? It's a personal choice thing as far as I'm concerned, barring roid rage, it hurts no-one but yourself. No worse than smoking etc....

To say that WWE don't use steroids is somewhat naive. The guys on there train long and hard, and work long and hard ot do what they do, but people the size of Hunter, Batista and Scott Steiner don't just pop out fomr the floorboards I'm afraid. Even Rey Jr has got A LOT bigger since joining WWE.

Steroids are a way of life in many sports, but these sports (and the ones I think it's fine in) are those that are based around looks and are non-athletic competitively. Wrestling (Pro), bodybuiding, and to a lesser extent MMA.

What's so bad in wanting to look your absolute best? Would you tune in to WWE if their world champion was fourteen stone? Probably not. I've seen (and met) a lot of those guys and you don't realise just how big they are. Even people like Hurricane and Matt Hardy are 17+ stone - but they are standing next to the immense sizes of Kanes and Takers, so don't look so big.

Majik


you can still look your best and not take steroids

you can still compete and be the very best in the work and not take steroids. look at paula radcliff
 
Originally posted by gjrc
you can still look your best and not take steroids

I disagree here. Would Arnie have won Mr Olympia so many times without a decent intake? What about Dinosaur Davis? It depends on your perception of "best" there are two "bests" in my opinion - natural and assisted.It's a choice which one you go for.

you can still compete and be the very best in the work and not take steroids. look at paula radcliff

Totally agree. I'm not a fan of roids enhancing performance, but I think that enhancing looks is a different matter. Why shouldn't I risk my own health if I need to put a stone on as my own metabolism has trouble accepting weight gain? (This is just an example BTW...). Or if I want to speed up the fat burning process? Or I'm off on holiday and want to look super buff on Muscle Beach?

Majik
 
Originally posted by MajikNWA
I disagree here. Would Arnie have won Mr Olympia so many times without a decent intake? What about Dinosaur Davis? It depends on your perception of "best" there are two "bests" in my opinion - natural and assisted.It's a choice which one you go for.



Totally agree. I'm not a fan of roids enhancing performance, but I think that enhancing looks is a different matter. Why shouldn't I risk my own health if I need to put a stone on as my own metabolism has trouble accepting weight gain? (This is just an example BTW...). Or if I want to speed up the fat burning process? Or I'm off on holiday and want to look super buff on Muscle Beach?

Majik


i didnt know arnie took steroids?

:confused:

and yes it may be your choice to take steroids, but would you rather look good on the beach for a few years and then keel over and die when your heart packs up / or your liver / kidneys faill

also dont you think its incredibly vain and ultimately selfish to do so. if you a steroid abuser were to die, surely it would not only be their lives affected by their deaths?
 
To be honest, I kind of find that view very narrow minded. What about smokers? Drinkers? Their abuse is MORE likely to kill them and more likely to effect others directly, ignoring the obvious health risks.

Roids are neither addictive nor passive. And if I make the choice ot take roids, knowing the risks, how is that a bad thing? That's like condemning every biker out there or extreme sports enthusiast, or many other poeple who take calculated risks for enjoyment in their lives.

I thnk roids are a very misunderstood part of sports, personally. Like all other drugs, if you abuse steroids then you'll get whats coming to you, much like drink, baccy, or anything a little more illegal. At the end of the day, steroids are prescribed by doctors to help asthma sufferers abnd more, and HGH is given out on prescription to long term injury sufferers. The kind of doses and courses they give out are the same that a sports user may use. Whats the difference? Personal morals and no more. thats up to the user surely?

This is a great thread :) !

Majik
 
All top body builders and wrestlers take steroids or combinations of steroids and other growth enhancing drugs. They couldn't possibly get anywhere near as big as they are without them. To get anything like their size they have to work out every day for hours and without drugs they wouldn't grow at all working out that much.

A friend of a friend at the gym took steroids, he kept it up for a while and grew very large. However as you can imagine steroids aren't cheap! When he came off them he lost his hair and got sick, not sure exactly what happened, but he ended up a lot smaller than when he started out.

Personally, I don't have a problem with people taking steroids as long as they aren't competing (with the possible exception of professional body building as that pretty much goes without saying). It's entirely up to them, they should know the risks and the decision is theirs to take. There's little excuse for ignorance in this day and age :)
 
Either get training with us if you're not already trained, or give us a mail asking for work if you are. There are now five NWA-UK facilities - Kent, Coventry, Dublin, Cork and Sheffield.

Jody was originally an NWA-UK wrestler, trained by us, but jumped ship a few years ago for various reasons.

Majik
 
coventry seems closet

Im about on par size wise with say hmmmmmmm a normal 300lber despite being quite a bit away from that weight

I need to work on my stamina a bit but I may then take you up on that offer of an email address
 
Well mail me directly if you're thinking of Cov - it's Psycho and myself that are head trainers there!! From your location, you may want to come to the first show we're putting on as a training school/promotion (Midlands Pro Wrestling) in south Wales January 4th.

Majik
 
My opinion is the same as Majiks...Steroids have no place in competitive sports but when it comes to personal development then go for it if you want.

Im gonna try and get as big and as strong as I want naturally but after I reach my peak and should I want to get stronger/bigger then I have no problem with taking steroids. I doubt I would want to but i dont have a problem with it.

Its no different than taking a protein shake IMO.
 
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