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[DOD]Asprilla;22510185 said:
Why? They're only sorry they got caught nothing more.
convicted drug cheats returning to the Olympics
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Why? They're only sorry they got caught nothing more.
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Supposely the first ban was for speed basically, and the story is he's been on adhd pills since a kid, which definately happens, and didn't know. Do we really expect a 8 year old kid to wonder if the ADHD pills are IOC approved, or his mother wonder if the pills will effect his olympic ambitions? Should someone have thought about it later, sure.
The other one, the excuse afaik is gaitlin has no idea, his doctor accused the physio, and the doctor got caught doping a bunch of athletes he worked for. Is it possible he gave Gaitlin something unknowingly, sure, is it possible Gaitlin knew he helped athletes doped and went to him on purpose, sure.
The first ban's "excuse" seems plausible, the "i don't know how it happened" defence isn't great for his second ban and the fact the doctor was so caught up with so many cheating athletes doesn't look at all good for him.
I think athlete's around him probably have a better idea of who he is and if he really cheated or not, and a LOT of people in the sport seem to think he's guilty.
The most important fact is, athletics is entertainment, was the race you saw in say 2000 with Marion Jones winning a gold any less exciting because she cheated when we didn't know. Cheating shouldn't happen but it does, the sport at the time wasn't less entertaining. Even if it turned out Ennis and everyone else cheated, that saturday will be a day I remember forever as a epic day of sport.
gregory bauge has never been banned, he missed a drugs test.
Exactly. There's no other reason. People who genuinely made a mistake have nothing to be sorry for, and people who have been caught are just angry and upset at being caught.
They use them to gain an advantage, and what about all the people who are using performance enhancing drugs that don't get caught? I wouldn't be surprised if a large amount of Olympic athletes are using something that enhances their performance, but is undetectable, as they can only find something they're looking for can't they?
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So if I worked as an insurance broker and got caught bribing a potential customer what do you think is going to happen? Sports stars are live in a world disconnected from reality, how many footballers have we seen get sent to jail only to come out and walk straight back into either their old club or get bought out by someone else? If someone gets caught cheating by taking drugs then they should face the same sort of consequences as anybody else.
That just pushes it to "getting caught = illegal" if you try and look at it from that perspective.
He was suspended for one year, all results for 2011 were stricken from the record and he was stripped of the World Track Championship title: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bauge-and-france-lose-world-track-titles
Nobody has yet mentioned that sex offenders may never work with children, nobody has a problem with that being a lifetime ban. Another example is individuals can be banned from being company directors.
I don't know how the legislators and lawyers decide was is fair and just in all these different types of cases, but maybe the difference with some of these other bans is that they are not permanent and may be considered appropriate to the crime. It may also be that athletes cannot earn their trade anywhere else, whereas those guilty of certain financial crimes may be able to earn a good living elsewhere.
fair enough, and I wanted to point out that it was a pattern and rather more serious than Rio's one off.what i meant was he was never banned for positive tests
missing tests.............read into that what you will
I half expected someone would, so I decided to raise it in a non-sensationalist way as one of the examples why there are different levels of severity that make appropriate bans - I've seen the argument made before that "lifetime sanctions are applied elsewhere, so why not for sports cheats?" it's obviously on a whole different level and you can't compare oranges and apples. As much as any of us despise the drug cheats, their crimes are less serious than financial crimes, and obviously much less serious than sex offenders.
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Caporegime
+1 one of the most idiotic and stupidest thing that they have allowed. Prime example was Bolt at last years World Championship where he had a false start and therefore was bundled out.
Unbelievable and very infuriating that the authorities have allowed this one false start and you are out rule. Utterly utterly stupid and a waste of time in all honesty. Surely having a 3 strikes and your out policy is better than the one strike and your out.
Utterly mindboggling how they have changed the false start rule in sprinting.