Coolmasters Praetorian (black widow)

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The model number on the case (very faint) is ATC 201B-BXT.
I'm going to advertise it as a blackwidow as that's how i've always known it (and was sold it).

If that offends you then i'm sorry, at the end of the day its a PC case.
 
GoldenGlory said:
Don't see any competitor links??

The model number on the case (very faint) is ATC 201B-BXT.
I'm going to advertise it as a blackwidow as that's how i've always known it (and was sold it).

If that offends you then i'm sorry, at the end of the day its a PC case.
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My advice sell it as a 201b-BTX as that is the code thats on it/the box. Otherwise you could have have a problem of goods not as described - if it were me buying your case and you advertised it as just a "black widow" and i actually got a 201b-BTX i'd be peeved as i would pay more for a "black widow" than a 201b-BTX.

"black widows" ie without a top blow hole are much rarer than the 201b-BTX.

The 201b-BTX with the top blow hole is the better case feature wise. And as Yewen has said before OCUK are well within their rights to have the "black widow" advertised for sale but actually ship the higher spec 201b-BTX.

In todays terms it's exactly the same as the lian li PC7 being advertised on OCUK with 80mm rear exhaust, yet you are more than likely to get a PC7+/PC7II which has 120mm fan/120mm led fan - the higher spec case.
 
Well said Harib0. Its a pity there is so much confusion about these wonderful cases. It is such a pain that people cannot advertise things correctly on the bay.

For instance I recently bought what was advertised as a Coolermaster ATCs-200 rev1, however to my dismay when it came it was a revision 2 which I already have. Thank goodness for chargebacks!!!
 
I really could not have said it better myself.

You have a better case than the BW, but the BW because of the name and rarity is more saught after, but the blowhole is there due to the BW's having heat issues with GF4 graphics cards and a full set of hard drives, the newer revisions such as yours and the Praetorians lose the nice name but become better cases because of it.

Do not advertise it for what it is not, a clued up person would have your head for it if they wanted a BW, if they wanted a good case however they would be getting more than they paid for. :)

Only £5 difference in the price unless new and boxed, but if you list it wrong you are miss selling the goods and run the risk of being caught out.
 
Isn't it a contradiction though stating that it's not ok for him to advertise it as a BW when it isn't but then it's fine if OCUK do exactly the same thing. Unless I'm reading it all wrong but you said a buyer would be pretty peeved if they bought a case thinking it was the BW when it wasn't. Its just the same isn't it :confused:
 
Captain Planet said:
Isn't it a contradiction though stating that it's not ok for him to advertise it as a BW when it isn't but then it's fine if OCUK do exactly the same thing. Unless I'm reading it all wrong but you said a buyer would be pretty peeved if they bought a case thinking it was the BW when it wasn't. Its just the same isn't it :confused:
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There isn't a contradiction as he quite clearly knows it's a 201b-BTX. When OcUK or any other shop for that matter receive a shipment of cases (or hard drives or anything for that matter) they cannot physically check every item as such the lowest spec is advertised and you get a bonus if you receive something of better spec.

The 201b-BTX is the better case, function wise, and is exactly the same appart form the top blow hole as the BW.

The difference is those that know about and are fans/collectors of the ATCS range of cases would pay more for a true black widow because of it's rarity.

I said I would be peeved, I would pay £50 tops for a excellent condition boxed 201-BTX. However, I would pay nearer £100 for a excellent condition boxed black widow. (i'm more a silver case person than a black case person so i'm not really interested in the black cases, although it would be nice to have one for the collection)

It's like most items really if the model/spec you want to buy isn't available then usually you get one of the same spec/price or better. Happens all the time with a catalogue shop. The only reason the difference between the cases has now become an issue is that fact the black widow is so rare.
 
Well personally I am quite peeved that a shop with many years trading experience cannot correctly identify a product. I assume a shipment came in with boxes all labeled 201-BTX, and these items were then added to the stock system as blackwidows. The reason for this may be human error, or deliberate. Either way, the fact is it's false advertising. When you have your heart set on a specific item, and spend £120+ on it, you expect to recieve the exact item.

OcUK (or any other competitor) are NOT within their rights to falsely advertise a product, and then send another product instead (whether or not it's "better" is out of the question, as better is subjective). Fair enough, if they contact the customer and apologise, offer a refund or alternative then that is acceptable.
If the latter isn't the case, then Captain Planet is correct, it is contradictory.
 
Advertise it as a Black Widow.

It's a p.c case - not life, or death.

I for one would be happy if the BW came with a top blowhole to get rid of any excess heat.

I would advertise it as one without question, fair enough the other varients no......but c'mon, your being damn picky.
 
mightynimrod said:
Advertise it as a Black Widow.

It's a p.c case - not life, or death.

I for one would be happy if the BW came with a top blowhole to get rid of any excess heat.

I would advertise it as one without question, fair enough the other varients no......but c'mon, your being damn picky.
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Yes, the case collectors are damn picky. Like I said earlier, it will be advertised as a blackwidow.
 
It's entirely up to you how you go about advertising it. But please don't go getting all upset and ranting when you do sell it if someone does pull you up on the fact that it's a 201b-BTX and then does a charge back or reports you to ebay. Maybe you should make sure you put 201b-BTX somewhere in the description. 99% of people don't even know the difference anyway.

This really is only an issue because the case is no longer made. It's crazy really it's only a name!

I can't see any of the people who have purchased the lian li PC7 being peeved that they got one with 120mm rear exhust. However in 4-5 years time the lian li PC7 with rear 80mm fan may well become rare and so any collectors/enthusiast of lian li cases may well pay more for it than they would the more widely available PC7 with 120mm rear exhaust. Then all those who got the better spec 120mm rear fans will be up in arms saying it was advertised as 80mm fan i should have got 80mm fan blah blah

On that note i really can't see why anyone would be so annoyed to have received something better. I honestly don't think that if you purchased something today and they sent you a higher spec model that you'd send it back complaining that you should have got the lower spec model exactly as advertised.

I'll be watching the auction anyway and going by the recent form of the old cooler master cases i wouldn't think you'll get much more than £70 for it whether a 201b-BTX or black widow - there just doesn't seem to be as many people wanting them these days - though i could be wrong as this disscussion may well have stirred up some interest. will be interesting to see
 
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You got a better case than the one advertised as said, but you have lost the nice name.

SOOO many people get annoyed when I point out its not the Black Widow but the model up.

Just make sure you list what it actually is, or a case nut may buy it and then cause you a lot of trouble when they find out it is not as described.

You could always list it as the model up from the black widow, would go down well with people who just know what a black widow is and that way you are not miss selling.

A company can get away with it as they provide goods of the same performance or better, if you do not like the upgrade they can accept them back, and refund all postage for the trouble. I for one would be over the moon if a 201-BTX came to my door over the Widow, as an actual case not a name it is so much better!

Don't get why people get all defensive when it is not a black widow, its a better case so surely that is a good thing?
 
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